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Old 21-Apr-2008   #1
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New Elm sort discovered? (Large Embedded Pic)

I found a little Elm growing close to my house about 5 years ago; It had leaves which were almost yellow - some even appeared varigated.

So I planted it into the ground to grow for a couple of years.

But it didn't grow; it stayed small and compact, with tiny little leaves.

Other Elms I'd collected grew 2m (6'6") in the same period.

So I took it out of the ground and put it into a bonsai pot so I could keep a good eye on it. Here it is before leaf break at the end of March 2005 - maybe beer is the answer...


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Three years later it's barely grown in height, and I have NEVER pruned this tree. But just look at the ramification. It is entirely natural. I have never seen anything like it.

I suspect is is a cross between a common elm - which grow abundantly here in my neighbourhood and some ornamental variety.

Anyone have a clue what this is?

If it's really a new type where can I register the name (Ulmus Norburii)? :-)

It might well be the ultimate no-maintenance Bonsai: stays permanently compact; has small attractive leaves; doesn't need trimming; branch ramification genetically built in...
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Fact is, that there is one of them trees what attracts the Ramification Faeries. They are the ultimate night time clip and grow experts. You are just lucky enough to have a clutch of them livin in your yard. Most everyone else has Gnomes or Trolls. But don't let 'em know I told you as they are kinda skiddish once someone knows yer lookin' fer 'em...
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Fact is, that there is one of them trees what attracts the Ramification Faeries. They are the ultimate night time clip and grow experts. You are just lucky enough to have a clutch of them livin in your yard. Most everyone else has Gnomes or Trolls. But don't let 'em know I told you as they are kinda skiddish once someone knows yer lookin' fer 'em...


Thank goodness there's a logical explaination. I thought it was just your "common or garden" freak of nature.
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have you tried rooting cuttings yet? or are you going to keep this one to yourself?
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Im in awe of that branch system!

I wish my chinese elm looked half as good as that. It was shop bought from House of Bonsai in Bluewaters. So its a hybred mallsai/nursery bonsai as they have their own nursery suplying them.

Im not sure what I can do to improve on mine. I dont want to risk killing it because it was my first ever Bonsai tree.

Where abouts do you live so I can come look for one of that tree's siblings.
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I found a little Elm growing close to my house about 5 years ago; It had leaves which were almost yellow - some even appeared varigated.

So I planted it into the ground to grow for a couple of years.

But it didn't grow; it stayed small and compact, with tiny little leaves.

Other Elms I'd collected grew 2m (6'6") in the same period.

So I took it out of the ground and put it into a bonsai pot so I could keep a good eye on it. Here it is before leaf break at the end of March 2005 - maybe beer is the answer...



looks intresting...good branching too

what is that bottle?...beer or some sort of drink?
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eeiko 321 Do you not read the posts before you answer them?

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I suspect is is a cross between a common elm - which grow abundantly here in my neighbourhood and some ornamental variety....


About 2 years ago, I spent my spare time all winter studying the litterature on elm breeding and elm genetics. No, I don't have a life. Anyway, one person reported quite a series of interspecific elm crosses. Some did indeed give small, slow-growing seedlings with tiny leaves Other crosses gave extremely vigorous, fast-growing hybrids with huge leaves.
I still have my notes, if anyone wants to know which species gave the smaller hybrids. I don't have them with me just now.
All elm species will intercross, with the exception of the American elm, which has 4 sets of chromosomes instead of two sets like the other species. Even with the American elm, some crosses have succeeded.
And even the late blooming species like Chinese elm have crossed artificially with early spring blooming elms like Siberian elm, producing fertile hybrids.
O, My point was that it might indeed be a hybrid between a common elm, whichever elm is common in your area, with a some ornamental elm.
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have you tried rooting cuttings yet? or are you going to keep this one to yourself?


I'm going to try this season. I'm reasonably good with propogation from Elm cuttings.

It's got to the point where there are sufficient branches that I won't killl it if I remove 15 of them or something. The real problem is that it's SO slow growing that there's only older woody cutting to take - the new growth is never long enough to take softwood cuttings.

In fact it only seems to keep throwing new branches from the trunk. The existing branches hardly seem to grow (or do it slowly) little branches of their own...
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