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5-Sep-2002	#11
TreeBay Tips:5¢ Advice:Free *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: Aug-2001 Location: Silicon Valley Country: USA USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 4 Posts: 9,745	I had a zelkova with a similar design. I was able to layer off the top and get a classical broom and the base promptly sprouted more than enough shoots to keep it alive. If it were mine, I would layer off the top and redevelop the base something along OMC's suggested design. I like many of the trees in the Chinese style, but I don't understand the "peaceful field tree perched on the rugged mountain tree roots." I think we had another in this category this month. Advice was similar. Some liked it, some wanted to layer it... Regards, Matt. __________________ Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today! bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!

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5-Sep-2002	#12
painted_treeman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Aug-2002 Location: plymouth Country: uk Posts: 48	thread grafting roots I tend to agree with you chaps, the roots aint that bad. May I suggest thread grafting some of those long secondary roots to the other bare side, so there is a more even distribution of root mass? There is an excellent article on such techniques on Colin Lewis's website. It only involves drilling the right size hole where you need a new root and then threading one through till it takes... (Patience needed) Is it me, or can anyone else see two reclining figures laying side by side in that root mass, too many hours at the easel...

5-Sep-2002	#13
doody bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Apr-2002 Location: Youngstown,Ohio Country: USA USDA Zone: 5\ohio AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 304	I see the figures too. One on the right looks like a mermaid. __________________ "What we see depends mainly on what we look for", because "Creation and art are defined only by the boundaries we confine ourselves" both quotes written by authors unknown

5-Sep-2002	#14
Treebeard Tree herder Join Date: Aug-2002 Location: Maidenhead Country: England USDA Zone: 8b AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 2,200	I thought thread grafting roots required a complete sapling for success, not just the roots. If I'm wrong then you may have found me the answer treeman. Regards, BTW, my son said he could see two figures too __________________ "Do not be hasty, that is my motto" -JRR Tolkien, The Two Towers. ----------------------------------- christopherguise.co.uk

5-Sep-2002	#15
Treebeard Tree herder Join Date: Aug-2002 Location: Maidenhead Country: England USDA Zone: 8b AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 2,200	Matt, I like the idea of developing the stump after the chop. I Hadn't thought about that... So, when (if) I cut the layer does the stump stay in the bonsai pot to wait for sprouts, or do I put the whole stump in the ground after the chop? I have had to do a repot now because the soil was badly compacted and no matter how much water I gave it the rootmass stayed pulled away from the wall of the pot. I can protect it quite well over the winter, and I know chinese elms are tough and vigourous, but I'm thinking it won't be up to a layer by next spring. Am I correct or not? Regards, __________________ "Do not be hasty, that is my motto" -JRR Tolkien, The Two Towers. ----------------------------------- christopherguise.co.uk Last edited by Treebeard : 17-Jun-2003 at 06:17 PM.

5-Sep-2002	#16
TreeBay Tips:5¢ Advice:Free *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: Aug-2001 Location: Silicon Valley Country: USA USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 4 Posts: 9,745	After you separate the layer, I would expect to see new sprouts from the rootbase within a month. I would get a couple of whips growing out 6 inches or more before I put the rootbase in the ground. The main goal at that point for the stump will be healing the wound at the top, so you allow every bud that develops in the vicinity of the wound free rein to grow the first year, maybe wire one branch as a potential leader, but just let it grow. I would not put it in the ground in a leafless state, unless you protect it and mark it well so it doesn't get tripped over, uprooted or browsed. Regards, Matt __________________ Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today! bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!

17-Jun-2003	#17
Treebeard Tree herder Join Date: Aug-2002 Location: Maidenhead Country: England USDA Zone: 8b AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 2,200	Update: I have decided to go for the air layer. The dirty deed was done 2 weeks ago, at the position shown at the start of this thread. Top growth is still rampant, so fingers crossed... I won't bother with a photo, there's nothing to see really. Just some black plastic part way up the trunk. Thanks again for all the advice on this one, not only in this thread, but in another thread by Ron Martin. I can't for the life of me find that thread now though... Anyway, thanks Ron for giving it a go. Regards, TB __________________ "Do not be hasty, that is my motto" -JRR Tolkien, The Two Towers. ----------------------------------- christopherguise.co.uk

20-Jun-2003	#18
JasonG bonsaiTALK Craftsman Join Date: Apr-2003 Location: MICHIGAN Country: USA USDA Zone: 5a/5b AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 61	What I want to know is ... How did you get such an incredible tree (I love your Air Layering virtual) for such a low price? If I did my calculations correctly, that would only be about $48 USD. Anyone know of Greenhouses in Michigan that carry good quality Bonsai for decent prices? Jason

20-Jun-2003

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Originally posted by JasonG
What I want to know is ...

How did you get such an incredible tree for such a low price?

Hi Jason, half-price is how.

Regards,

TB

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20-Jun-2003	#20
Jay YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME Join Date: Sep-2001 Location: Jeffersonville Vt Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 2,154	Jason, Many Bonsai Nurseries have sales at different times of the year. They are usually a yearly thing and the in the know.... Know. Usually it is at the end of the growing season or in conjunction with an event. Find out where there is a nursery near, or near enough to you. I travel 5 1/2 hours to go to Bill Valavanis' in the Rochester NY area... and less often 3 1/2 hours to New England Bonsai outside of Boston. Find out when one is you can get to and be PATIENT! Now remember, this is a sale, things fly out of the place or the really great trees are purchased upto the date of the sale. But it is extremely possible to get good stock in this way! As to discounts, in Rochester everything is 25% off during the sale one in the spring and another in the fall, at NEB they are having their annual inventory reduction sale upto June 30th 50% off then it goes up in steps to 70% off July 16-31. The card I received says on selected material but it is still a BIG savings! Just some thoughts Jay __________________ A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49... Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing

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