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14-Aug-2006
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Live oak style ?
For the last few years I have been trying to do a tree that is reminiscent of those old live oaks here in South Carolina
Originally I tried to actually work with a live oak but they grow too slow and I didn’t have a hundred or so years to spare. Finally settled on this cork bark elm. (ulmus thomasii I believe but am not sure) It had the fissured bark and small leaves that slightly resemble the live oak. The nabari still needs to develop more and maybe the branches need a slight thinning out but it does remind me of those old oaks down here. Same shape more or less. The tree is 32 inches tall (including the pot) and is maybe 25 years old. So how close do you think I got with it. ? |
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14-Aug-2006
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I'm not sure of the difference in habit b/t Live & Bur, but some majestic Bur (I work feet from the largest in the state) around here have branches almost to the ground, and the crown isn't as perfect as what you've presented. That is, there is some separation b/t foliage in the crown. Not that there are different pads/clouds that'd let the "birds fly thru" though. Am I making sense?
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14-Aug-2006
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Very convincing to me Ron. I remember some fantastic oaks from my youth when I lived in Mobile Alabama. We built tree houses & climbed all through them. The movie "Forrest Gump" brought those memories back in vivid detail.
Thanks for shareing! Bob O |
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14-Aug-2006
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Bonsai nare-do-well
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Yep you're making some sense. The ancient oaks that are not molested by man do have branches almost touching the ground. But I think in a bonsai pot that might be a bit too much. I went for the urban oak (I guess that is what you would call it.) Those along the streets here (and where you are at) are trimmed a bit. |
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14-Aug-2006
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Hi Ron, Nice tree and I agree with the need for thinning the branches to 'see some light' through the canopy. Also as Wayne said I think it would help a lot if you could bring some of those lower branches down. Old Live Oaks around here have the lower branches sagging towards and sometimes reaching the ground. I'm sure you can't accomplish that look completely but if you could bring them down at all would IMO help define the style. I would also agree with Wayne about the crown maybe lowering the crown to a more wide spread look if you know what I mean. It is a very nice tree though it doesn't quite bring to me the image of a grand old oak yet.
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14-Aug-2006
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I was still typing when you posted Ron. Yes Urban oak is a fitting description and it does match that tree well!
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14-Aug-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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Let me stress that the tree looks pretty good. I forgot to say that earlier. Its just not what I think of when I think old oak. I think some separation in the crown would do more to help it than even lowering the branches. That'd be consistent with ...natural or urban oaks ...the ancient ones I mean.
<edit> I'll try to get some pictures of the trees around me. I'm sure you have a good idea of what live oak looks like though.</edit>
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14-Aug-2006
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Nice tree Ron. I think you're almost there
 The branch structure needs to be opened up a bit, as noted, to reveal the inner branch structure. Live oaks aren't that uniform up top. There are windows and open spaces in the foliage and between branches. Laying the bottom branches out horizonally, or even dipping below horizontal would help also. They don't have to touch the ground, but can dip below the horizontal plane.As for live oaks being slow, I've found they are pretty quick to develop--relatively. At least faster than pines. |
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14-Aug-2006
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