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Old 26-Feb-2006   #11
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HI John, That's a nice looking group. I imagine that pot with Autumns colors is real nice. What species are they? Some one once mentioned to me that I might have luck with the Japanese or kaempfrei species. But he lived in N.Y. I don't think I would try to grow any Larch in Florida but I sure do like them!


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They're Japanese Larch.

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Old 26-Feb-2006   #12
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One question, why did you arrange the group so symmetrical?

Biggest tree should be in front, but just out of the middle of the pot. The second biggest should be as far away as possible from the biggest at about 2/3, it should be placed slightly behind. Tree 3 should be further behind, but close to the biggest tree, on the opposite side of tree 2. The last 2 trees should be placed, 1 far back, probably between tree 1 and 2, the other one next to tree 2 but hanging to the side.
No trees can be placed on the same line in the pot.

This is somewhat how I learned to arrange trees in a forest, hopefully it helps you, cause you have some very nices Larches to make a great forest.

Cheers, Wessel



Wessel,

I don't see this group as being so symetrical. It works for me, but that's fine if you don't like it. It's not a specimen planting, just one I meant to post earlier in another thread about how adaptable the species can be.

It started off as a seven tree group, but one died and I removed another. I have read exactly the same procedures for groups as you just outlined many, many times. I'm surprised that you see so many flaws from that one photo.

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Here are a couple more groups to look at, both Japanese larch. The first is quite large. the bigger trees are well over an inch in diameter and probably 30" tall. It was created by Masa Furukawa at Japan Bonsai in Portland, Oregon. The second group was also by Furukawa-san. I purchased it from him several years ago. The container is about 18" wide.
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Zube,

Thanks for sharing. The first planting is my favorite. The second one is good, but I dont "see" why those trees on the left are bending away from the dominant tree when so much open space is between them. Just my opinion, but the first one is the better of the two. I'd love to have either though!!!

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Old 26-Feb-2006   #14
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Vic,

Thanks for the kind words.

The planting has negative space in the front. The main tree is just short of halfway in the depth of the pot. This planting had quite a different look about it when it had seven in it. I never knew why that one died, but the second one I removed is still doing well (albeit by itself).

Wessel made some good remarks about guidelines for group plantings, but I have always been pleased with the "in-person" quality of this group. The tallest tree is only about 15-16". I rarely use wire on it now, but one smaller trunk still needs to be wired to straighten an odd-looking kink. Clip and grow is more than satisfactory right now. I really like the pot's color with the needles in the fall. The stone in the pot is exceedingly "ancient" looking. I found it in the NC mountains and, to me, it looks like a "boulder" where a hiker would stop to take a little break. Hence, I used it in a "forest".

Just my little version of scenery during a pleasant hike. It'll never win any award, but that's not supposed to be the point is it?

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As best as I can duplicate, the original group looked similar to this virtual. The one full trunk with the red line is the tree that died. I also "topped" two existing trees with the partial red line showing what was removed. The tree to the far right with the green line was removed, but is still living.

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I have always been pleased with the "in-person" quality of this group.

Just my little version of scenery during a pleasant hike. It'll never win any award, but that's not supposed to be the point is it?

John,

Very well said. I have no doubt that the in-person quality of the group is just as you say. I think your goal was well met. I would only be so happy to have a larch forset as pleasing as your. Photographs being two dimensional often throw off the nuances of perspective. Enjoy the memory of that hike my friend, you have created a lasting memorial to the moment.

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John,
I don't think the grouping has much of a "picket fence" feel to it at all. I feel like the relatively small number of trees, and the excellent use of angling (relative to the main tree) of the smaller larches to create perspective overcomes any feeling of unnaturalness. Also, the "ground" is very well done. With most bonsai, the ground would usually be the last thing noticed, but in this specimen, it was one of the first. The patchiness of the moss and the boulder create a very natural and convincing setting. The fallen needles also add to this feel, though I'm guessing those are just a temporary feature til you get around to brushing them off . All in all, nice grouping.
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John,
When I first viewed your post, I noticed the symmetry of your group from right to left, but decided not to comment. I do so now only because I was so completely impressed by your recreation of the group as the seven tree planting. I think that if you could restore the group to it's original design it would be quite an improvement.
As to my group, I believe your comments are valid. I'll give it some thought.
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