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Plain old lil'tree novice
Join Date: Jan-2004
Location: East Bay Area, California
Country: U.S.A.
USDA Zone: 10a or 9b
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Juniperus Procumbens (Newb Lookin' For Input)
I dunno if the way I did this will help, or just be annoying, but I tried to help define the tree better than the pictures were able to show due to their 2 dimensional nature.
As I wrote before, I think this tree might make a convincing windswept design with some wiring over the course of time. The wind coming from what is the right in this picture. Ok. In this picture and the one below: “A” represents a branch that points forward, so I’ve been thinking of keeping it as an “escape branch” as Matt described in his lesson in order to contribute to the taper of the main trunk or leader that is represented as “B.” Since A is growing from such a visible location on the primary, I thought I would also wire it into a more interesting, less upright shape, and then use it as a short jin after about a year rather than have such a large scar in front of the tree. I am increasingly convinced that a little bit of jin often looks more convincing than a lot of jin, but it would be easy to make it look as if the branch succumbed to the force of the wind by bending it to the left at some point. The circle in “A” represents the foliage of the branch, which significantly blocks the view of the branch structure behind it. “B” approximates the line of the apical leader. “C” approximates the line of the lowest existing branch, which I am considering removing, or bending back to the left in keeping with the windswept design.
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Plain old lil'tree novice
Join Date: Jan-2004
Location: East Bay Area, California
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“D” approximates the line of the 3rd branch in the structure that was cut in the nursery. It could be cut back to a branch and saved, or removed. I think I will save one or more of the branches represented as C, D, or the branch in between the two. Unfortunately they all come off the same side of the trunk.
“E” represents two laterals which grow off the primary opposing each other. They are near the same location of the primary, but not exactly so. I have already thinned about a third of the foliage from the inside of the tree and off the under side of the primary and branches. I thought I should let it recover before thinning the inside more and exposing the true structure of the primary and branches. (Not knowing how much the tree could handle in one shot) Also, since the tree is a bit leggy thanks to some secondary growth on the branches competing for dominance, I thought I would pinch some to thicken the growth later on, or cut the primary growth to add character and let the competing secondary have dominance. As you can see from the top view, the primary curves forward at one point, Which I thought I could cure with wiring if it is not in line with bonsai tradition, but I do like the character it adds to the shape. If I were to use what I have called the potential front, then that curve would be ok and I could wire the apex further toward the lower part of the picture to bring it more forward,(toward what is the bottom left of this top view.) I hope I haven’t over cluttered the picture with lines or written too much. I look forward to all criticisms and advice.
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Plain old lil'tree novice
Join Date: Jan-2004
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It should be mentioned, I really did not want to do a windswept as my first venture into bonsai, but it is what I see in the tree. The more thought goes into the tree, the more I see that there might be other options which went unrecognized at first.
I humbly submit these pictures, appealing to your experience.
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Plain old lil'tree novice
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Clarification
Would it be reasonable to say that what I wrote in my Juniper procumbens thread below was too much? Or maybe waaayyy too much?
Considering that after 100 views and two days I have not one response I'm reasoning that it was a newb mistake on my part. Or is the tree is so bad that it warrants no reponse? Not cleaned out enough to show the branch structure? Or...maybe this question is yet premature. I'm assumin' nothing. ![]()
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hmm..I have no idea what u'r trying to do
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Plain old lil'tree novice
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Haha..welp. that could explain the lack of a response!
It was what appears to have been a fruitless attempt at defining the branches of the juniper before actually exposing them, and making the structure of the tree more visible in the 2 dimensionality of a photo. I thought it was a bright idea, but apparently it was premature. My next attempt will hopefully be more in keeping with the established methods other folks on the site use to seek advice on a picture. I kinda wish I could get this thread deleted actually.
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I would cut the tree back to the first branch on the right (WHITE, I think) and have some taper and movement in it. Or possibly go with the part on left (BLUE) wired down in a cascade.
Those little letters remind me of something my optometrist showed me last week when said, "Now please read the bottom row!" Regards, Matt Regards, Matt
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something like this??
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Plain old lil'tree novice
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Haha, This was my first time uploading pics. I didn't realize how small the letters would be once they were in the message. Won't try that one again. Cascade was what came to mind first but I had hoped to do something different with it. I guess "the tree within the tree," is the best bet though. Maybe I'll compromise and shoot for a semi-cascade. Thanks for the help.
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