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Root Collecter
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i think it will look wonderful when it fills in!!!
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Bonsai Barry
Join Date: Dec-2004
Location: Santa Maria, CA
Country: USA
USDA Zone: 9
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Despite its thin trunk, this tree has a fairly mature look for a tree of its age. If it were mine, I think I would have fewer primary branches in the lower two-thirds of the trunk, as is often the case with well-aged trees.
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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I would suggest that you have that tree in a growth box so that it can grow faster and better and not in that bonsai pot.
Good luck with your tree |
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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'styling immature stock trees'
Hi Fred4u,
You are doing exactly what I am trying to get out of doing.Maybe someone here can explain it better for us,we in my opinion are actually hindering ourselves with this type of bonsai creation.The problem with doing this is not so much the designs we apply but the canvas we use.If you took another branch or two from the lower section it would look somewhat like a tall pine I guess,but still be a young whip with some young branching.Not a good bonsai.What we really do is start with a really unintersting trunk lacking strong character,from there as you can see almost all the branches are the same size as the trunk which is not very tree like and secondary branching is so young it is basicly absent.All of this does not give it's self to the illusion of a tree being viewed through a tealscope.We instead of getting a bonsai end up with sticks in a pot.
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Making the exception to Fred's fine work, I totally agree with Wes (RedPine). Too many times trees with trunks like pencils are considered to be "beginner's stock". Though I've been training trees for the past 18 years I've found little to style or learn from material such as I've described. This material invariably makes it to an auction or raffle and is pawned-off on to some newbie.
I've had beginners ask for my help with young, uninteresting material only to shrug and tell them that I don't have any idea where to begin. I can't look at a bean pole and see a live oak waiting to be discovered. And this young, scrawny material often looks odd as a bunjin... perhaps the only possibility for trunks so thin. I can see that material like this is good for grafting stock, fertilization, making small saikei, promoting a variety,or simply just learning how to keep a potted plant alive outside. But for styling, or hopes for creating a bonsai in near future... I generally just can't see it. This is why masters don't work on material like this in their demos. However. My first few bonsai were little more than twigs, wired into crazy, almost archetectural shapes, and I was awstruck at my "apparent" talent!!! Those puny, ugly, helix looking trees kept me wanting more. I enjoyed these ugly things so much that I kept on with bonsai, now for almost two decades. So maybe that's why this material is called "beginner's stock". I learned a lot about what NOT to do to create a bonsai. Kind regards, Jim |
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Root Collecter
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yes please...
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As bonsaist we often over look the advantages of youth in the search to have a bonsai that speaks only of the old and ancient trees.
With stock such as this, which does not have the taper, branching, bark, or other attributes of an old tree, we often give up and forget that there is beauty sometimes in youth also. I spoke of this "Age Discrimination" in an article here. I think sometimes, as with stock like this, that it would be better to portray a young tree than to try and force an older look onto it. Just another opinion, Will |
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