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21-Apr-2006	#1
Anaman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Apr-2006 Location: Northern England Country: UK Posts: 26	Juniper Procumbens Nana for ?? Cascade Style Bonsai juniper link 1 juniper link 2 This Juniper Procumbens nana is about three feet across, and was growing in my garden for a few years. I think I planted it in 2001 when it was small. I need some space here so I dug it up and will put it in a pot today. I hope that maybe you might send me some ideas as to how I should go about styling it. I know these plants make good cascades. The thing is a mass of branches so I am not going to start just yet. I take it the first thing I need to do after the plant gets established in a container is start to thin out the branches. Anyhow can you give me some ideas? When would I think about starting to thin it out? Now? or do I wait till it has started to grow in a container for a year? The roots are very clean and intact, I was real careful how I dug it up, tooks loads of earth around the roots and did not cut through any roots. Thanks for any help you might give me. Last edited by Anaman : 21-Apr-2006 at 01:41 PM.

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21-Apr-2006	#2
md4958 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Mar-2006 Location: Enfield, Connecticut Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 318	Thats a big juniper!...if you want some styling advice try to get a shot of the trunk from a couple different sides. Viewing this trunk line will help determine what can be made from this tree. Remember to get the nebari (surface roots) in the shots as well. -Moe __________________ "Bonsai do not belong to us; it is our responsibility to care for them and pass them on to future generations" -Mitsuya Yasuo Bonsai Today Master Series: Pines

21-Apr-2006	#3
Anaman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Apr-2006 Location: Northern England Country: UK Posts: 26	Thanks Moe I will go take some pictures and post links later. Lee

21-Apr-2006	#4
Anaman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Apr-2006 Location: Northern England Country: UK Posts: 26	Here is a pic. I do not know how useful it will be. The tree is so dense both on top and at the trunk/roots. Pic1 I hope the link works for you, but like I say this is the best I can do. Really just a mass of roots and branches, although there is definately a short trunk in there somewhere. Lee Last edited by Anaman : 21-Apr-2006 at 01:40 PM.

21-Apr-2006	#5
md4958 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Mar-2006 Location: Enfield, Connecticut Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 318	Lee, Im sorry I didnt clarify. By surface roots I was speaking of the roots that attach to the trunk at the "top" of the soil line. They are the roots that many times will stick out of the soil and give the impression that the tree is gripping the ground. This link isnt a juniper, but just to give you an idea of what the heck im talking about. http://pictures.bonsaitalk.com/show...&cat=all&page=1 Moe __________________ "Bonsai do not belong to us; it is our responsibility to care for them and pass them on to future generations" -Mitsuya Yasuo Bonsai Today Master Series: Pines

21-Apr-2006	#6
Anaman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Apr-2006 Location: Northern England Country: UK Posts: 26	Moe the tree is so big in comparison with the roots it's really hard to take a picture. However will go have another go and will post it up here in a while. Thanks for taking your time to help. Edit. Just had a look, there are a couple of big roots, but they are well embedded in a mass of fibrous roots. There is no way I can expose them without doing some damage. I had better go put it in a pot and give it a new home. That wayI suppose I can take my time at deciding how to shape it. I do have a couple of Bonsai books by Craig Cussons so I will see what advice there is for styling a cascade. At least now I can plant a couple of my other trees into the ground for a year ot two to thicken them up. Lee Last edited by Anaman : 21-Apr-2006 at 01:58 PM.

21-Apr-2006	#7
rockm bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2003 Location: Fairfax, Va Country: USA USDA Zone: 7 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 4,561	This isn't really promising bonsai material...

21-Apr-2006	#8
Anaman bonsaiTALK Journeyman Join Date: Apr-2006 Location: Northern England Country: UK Posts: 26	RockM I am sure you are right when you say it is not promising Bonsai material. However since I am trying to learn can you tell me why? Is it because it has a short trunk? Lee

21-Apr-2006	#9
md4958 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Mar-2006 Location: Enfield, Connecticut Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 318	Im pretty impressed that somebody can say whats promising (or not in this case) without seeing a photo. Lee, pot it up. If it really is a dog then you can use it to practice your wiring, jin-ing and shari-ing. Also, see if you can keep it alive...thats key to having a successful bonsai hobby ;-) -Moe __________________ "Bonsai do not belong to us; it is our responsibility to care for them and pass them on to future generations" -Mitsuya Yasuo Bonsai Today Master Series: Pines

21-Apr-2006	#10
rockm bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2003 Location: Fairfax, Va Country: USA USDA Zone: 7 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 4,561	"Im pretty impressed that somebody can say whats promising (or not in this case) without seeing a photo." Um, which photo did you not see?There are three above. All show a trunkless plant with a scant root system (two or three dominant roots in a mass this big is scant ) and long gangly limbs and no discernable features that would make a good bonsai candidate. Long gangly limbs don't necessarily translate into "cascade" as that style is more than a single limb. " I am sure you are right when you say it is not promising Bonsai material. However since I am trying to learn can you tell me why? Anyhow can you give me some ideas?" The trouble is primarily in the fact that the "tree" appears to have no trunk, or group of trunks. Bonsai is ALL about trunks. They are the foundation of each bonsai image. Trunks not only provide a backbone for the branches to hang from, but they define the tree. They literally provide bonsai with their souls. Old, gnarled trunks, smooth pretty trunks, long graceful ones--each form sets the overall tone of the tree. No trunk means no foundation... This might not be a single tree, or shrub, at all. I wouldn't be surprised if each, or several, of those long thin branches aren't individually rooted...Can't tell without better photos, yet the tree defies being photographed. If this tree can't be defined in even the most basic terms, such as how to photograph it, then what makes it a good subject for bonsai?

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