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JBP Tanuki Starter: What Next?

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Old 31-Dec-2007   #11
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Gday folks!

Firstly, let me just state that the only thing I know about Pines is how to spell 'Pines'. (Did I get that right?) Let's just assume that I have done the wrong thing by repotting a JBP in the middle of Summer, and that all those Pine experts out there have gasped in horror and posted to scold me for my impatience...

Now we've gotten that out of the way: onto the tree at hand. When I visited Lindsay Farr at BonsaiFarm, I left with a couple of JBP rooted cuttings in 3" square plastic pots. I had bemoaned the fact that I could only keep a few select species alive on my unshaded benches, and Lindsay assured me that I would be hard pressed to kill these little whips. Thanks Lindsay!

Anyway, I found myself hungover and bored on Boxing Day, so I decided to finally do something with the little Japanese Black Pines and this dead stick.

I screwed some plastic mesh to the underside of the stump, placed the stump upright in a small bucket, and poured about 2cm of polyester resin into the bucket. I then shoved some strands of sphagnum moss into the top surface of the resin, and 20 minutes later, the stump was able to stand freely.

Next, I wrapped some pipe cleaners around the stump in order to work out where the live vein should run, then traced this line with a marker (you might be able to see that I did this once or twice before settling on a final line). This line was then carved to form a channel with a C-shaped cross section, a little wider than the 10mm JBP whip.

Finally, I placed the young Black Pine into the groove, beginning from the base, and progressively fixed it into place using stainless steel screws. (It was good luck as much as good management that the 'whorl' of 4 branchlets ended up more-or-less exactly where I had intended: at a branch junction on the deadwood stump.)

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The astute reader will remember the "What Next?" in the title: this question attests to my lack of knowledge about the care and culture of JBP. I roughly know the style I'm trying to achieve with this Tanuki, but I don't know the technical details of Pine training that will allow me to attain this goal. Some of my questions have been answered by Brent Walston's article, and some have been answered by our very own Ms Victrinia Ensor in an extensive Chat session yesterday, but I'll ask them again here:

When can I begin the initial styling? You have already begun styling by creating this tanuki--remember, 1 insult per growing season with pines. Leave this be to recover for at least one growing season.

When should I prune to create back-budding? You're going to need everything this little whip has got to create a tree from; no pruning for at least one additional growing season.

Will the branches of JBP tolerate being wired into a downward position? Yes and No. Wire them down from the trunk out and bend the tip with the terminal bud facing upward. If you orient the terminal bud of a branch tip downward, it will lose vigor and eventually weaken and die.

Can I remove any/all of the extra branchlets without sacrificing overall vigour? You haven't got ANY extra branchlets on such a young, recently rooted cutting to sacrifice; leave this tree alone at least one growing season before contemplating additional insults.

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I hope to be able to share what I have learned/read about the styling of JBPs in the next post, but now it's pic time.

Thanks.

FlyBri.

PS: The turntable comes courtesy of the Bonsai Society of Victoria's annual show: I won it in their raffle! It's a bit rustic, but works a treat!

Last edited by FlyBri : 31-Dec-2007 at 12:56 AM. Reason: Clarification of who said what... Thanks Greg!
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Old 31-Dec-2007   #12
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Gday Greg!

Thanks for your help - it is a little on the cautious side compared to some advice I have received thus far, but my lack of experience with the species, I will probably take the safe option.

One further question for clarity:
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If you orient the terminal bud of a branch tip downward, it will lose vigor and eventually weaken and die.


In the image above, the lowest branch is the most vigorous, and it has needles further back than any of the other 3 branches. This is also the branch which I hope to keep when the time comes to start pruning. As you can see, the growing tip has a downward-ish orientation. Can I (do I need to) work out a method to bring that growing tip into a more upright position, for the future of this branch?

Thanks again, and Happy New Year!

Fly.

PS: I promise - no more insults this growing season, except maybe the ones I come up with at tonight's NYE celebrations...
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Fly--anchor the lower branch using the tanuki jin and wire out to 1/2 way, avoiding the new needles on the maturing candle; keep the downward orientation that comes off the trunk. Bend the last 1" upward. This should be enough to orient the terminal bud up enough to keep it vigorous. Visualize the Nike "swoosh" for your lower branch.

I learned a valuable tip from Marco Invernizzi about wiring pines--don't wire all the way out to the tip. You'll do unecessary damage to the new needles and it's always possible to orient the terminal bud upward from farther back on the branch. I hope this makes sense to you
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I've always read ...and yes, its been my experience... that theres no need to wire the tips of a JBP upward. They'll grow that way on their own. Other pines, notably ones that aren't as vigorous as JBP, need this treatment, but its unnecessary with JBP.

(I wonder how many different sentences I could write that say the same thing. For everyone's sake that reads this, I won't find out.)
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Gday folks.

As mentioned in Karl Thier's Larix Thread, my JBP Tanuki starter has failed to start. I killed it. I'm glad to know that it wasn't exposure to the freshly cured polyester resin - that's one culprit ruled out. I strongly suspect that it was the repot in early/mid summer, and maybe the odd screw through the trunk that caused its demise. That, and maybe my total inexperience with the species in question...

Could somebody out there close this thread, and save me further embarrassment?..

Thanks.

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There's no embarrassment since you learned something. It was a good learning piece as I kinda feel like if you're going to do a tanuki/phoenix graft, you need some really impressive deadstock.
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My guess is you striped 80 % of the needles and watered it as always and damped off the root system. That was always the problems I had due to the drastic foliage reduction which in turn shocked the plant as well. The screws through the sapling I never do. Just wrap them into place with grafting tape.

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FliBri I appreciate your post. I have learned quite a bit from it. Some day I want to try a tanuki. I will incorporate what I have learned here. The risk is that I will simply find yet another way to kill the tree.
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