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27-Feb-2006

agraham

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I'm in the mood for.......

BONSAI!!

Another neriifolia I'd like to share.Some of y'all helped pick the front for this one last year.

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=12560

I pretty much butchered it too late in the fall of "05 and the apex didn't come back as much as I'd hoped.Yesterday,I took about 30 minutes and butchered it some more....and did a little rough styling.

suggestions?,comments?arguments?

thanks,

andy

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27-Feb-2006	#2
pootsie The Cat's Apprentice *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: May-2004 Location: Columbus o-HI-o Country: USofA USDA Zone: 6 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 3,065	I think I'm in love ... pootsie __________________ p.s. My cat is a bonsaiTALK Master. Columbus Bonsai Society

27-Feb-2006	#3
Brent Evergreen Gardenworks Join Date: Sep-2003 Location: Northern California Country: US USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 310	Andy I wouldn't have pulled down those big branches. This trunk screams for a more natural shape. The pine tree effect just isn't going to work here. Think of it as a round headed tree with the major branches ascending, arcing, and all the smaller branches continuing the arc, twisting and turning until they are nearly vertical at the ends. This is our California Oak look. Brent EvergreenGardenworks.com see our blog at http://BonsaiNurseryman.typepad.com

27-Feb-2006	#4
Victrinia_Ensor Bonsai mai-farli-perfetti Join Date: Nov-2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Country: USA USDA Zone: 8b AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 1,447	Mmmmm.... Very very nice Andy... I like it. The overall composition works for me as a progression of it's styling. I'm no Brent of course... so take that for what it's worth. Even if it gets relegated simply as the opinon of an enthusiastic friend. Which of course I am... Yours, __________________ Ms. Vic Le belle cose prendono tempo... www.elandangardens.com

27-Feb-2006	#5
pootsie The Cat's Apprentice *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: May-2004 Location: Columbus o-HI-o Country: USofA USDA Zone: 6 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 3,065	I don't see "pine" in this shape. I see future branches reaching up and out from big limbs that are weighed down in a large canopy. 2 cents, pootsie __________________ p.s. My cat is a bonsaiTALK Master. Columbus Bonsai Society

27-Feb-2006	#6
Just_Mike Enthusiast Join Date: Feb-2006 Location: Lodi, CA Country: US Posts: 111	Let me start by saying hello...and adding a little disclaimer...I dont have nearly as much experience as the other people who posted, but i do live in california and oaks (very old beautiful trees) are somewhat of the norm in my area...if that is the look you are going for, i would have to agree with Brent. Please dont get me wrong, you have a very nice tree, with a lot of character (very important) but it dosnt really follow the structure of oaks i have observed in my area. Now to agree with pootsie, I dont think I'd go so far as to say it has a pine shape either...but i will add this, oaks are made of hardwood and in my area atleast, i dont see alot of gracefull, soft movement in the branches, once they set, thats it, so what you get is more dramatic, sharper angles where secondary branches meet primary branches, often creating a nature induced clip and grow type look... -Mike

27-Feb-2006	#7
RedPine bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Jul-2004 Location: AR USDA Zone: 7a AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 2,897	Hi Andy, I think I would let the big branches have a little upward play aswell,not much just a little.But more I think I would try to wire some movement into them,then cut them back by like half to start growing some taper into them. __________________ http://gongshi.freeforums.org/index.php

27-Feb-2006	#8
agraham bonsaiTALK Master Chief Join Date: Jan-2004 Location: South Texas Country: U.S.A. USDA Zone: 9-10 AHS Heat Zone: 11 Posts: 1,195	thanks guys and gal Oak never really crossed my mind...niether did pine.Actually, I'm not sure ficus did. .This is a bare skeleton and one that while quite old has only begun to be worked on...2 years so far.My intentions are to pull the lower branches down even more and let the secondary branching grow more upright.Hopefully this will give the tree a rounded canopy while still allowing the old branches to be viewed.Much as Pootsie described. Since oak was brought up...I'm not familiar with the California oaks...but I can see a Texas live oak style evolving out of this . Thanks again and remember......I'm easily influenced.....and there's still time to change my mind. andy __________________ http://pittmandavis.com/

27-Feb-2006	#9
John Dixon Air Assault All The Way. Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Huntersville, NC (near Charlotte) Country: USA USDA Zone: 7-8 AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 1,702	I like where you are going here!!! An aged trunk on a tree in nature will [almost always] have bowed limbs that have been weighted down for years. The two co-exist. Your bonsai mimics that and I feel it is appropriate. To have upward growing branches is okay - if you like that - but this bonsai says "old" and so should the branching. A trunk like that with young looking branches is going to look contrived and will not have the same impact on the viewer, IMHO. Good start. John __________________ John Dixon Si vis pacem parabellum Stay off the trails of others, that's where the booby-traps are.

27-Feb-2006

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hansvanmeer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by agraham

BONSAI!!

Another nerifolia I'd like to share.Some of y'all helped pick the front for this one last year.

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=12560

andy

Well i think it is a pretty daring and good first styling! And if I'm not mistaking this tree is a nerifolia, not a oak. So way would you style it like one? I don't think this first styling resembles a pine style as well, it looks to me like a very plausible old tree. When in the future the main branches will have a little more natural movement given to them, and the smaller branches have matured, and have taken there positions to fill out the spaces. I bed you it will look pretty impressive and natural ! I would only be careful to let those 2 opposite branches grow at the same height and in the same way, if the left branch is bend a little more downwards and the opposite one a little sharp upwards and then down again. You will have gained some height difference between them, and they have different shapes as well.
I'm looking forward to see the development of this tree

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Regards,
Hans van Meer.

Last edited by hansvanmeer : 27-Feb-2006 at 03:19 PM.

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