Help wanted on Pinus Sylvestris/Larix Decidua

weeijk

Hello,

In my garden is this Pinus Sylvestris which I collected as seedling, back in 1997.
It has a trunk diameter of 1,5-2 cm and is 44 cm high. I think it would make a nice Literati. I don't know hoe to make it that way, so I'm open to all suggestions.

Also in my garden is this Larix Decidua, also collected as seedling in 1997.
It has a trunk of 2 cm thick and is 50 cm high. This could be a Literati aswell? but I dont know how to make it yet. Other suggestions are welcome aswell.

Wessel

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weeijk

Since no one reacted on this tread, I had to do something virtual with the trees.

Please give me comment on the virtuals and put me in the right direction.
I would also like to hear/see what kind of pot I should use.

Thanks Wessel

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TreeBay

I think a copy of Bonsai Techniques One by Naka would help you out a lot - these trees have bar branches and a lack of taper + not much movement as originally created, and that makes them look like telegraph poles.

I would probably cut the larch back to the first branch pair and wire one up as a new apex and wire the other down. The pine would probably go back in the ground.

Regards,

Matt

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weeijk

Offcourse I will wire and bend the trunk, but in what way?

That's on off the questions I have.


Thanks for your reply's,


Wessel

bonsai_audge

I would have to agree with Matt that the pine looks like a few years in the ground could do it some good. The branches look a little spindly. Also it doesn't look like it's quite in tip-top condition, so a few years in the ground should prepare it for the rigours of bonsai training

-Audric

dbz12fan

With a lot of wire and raffia of course .

Check out this article on the BSF website- http://bonsai-bsf.com/bending_cypre...ing_cypress.htm . It shows a good example of turning a telephone pole into a show quality tree. As a matter of fact, I collected a bald cypress this year that I will be doing something similar with. I could not tell you whether this design would be possible with your two species as I do not work with either of them.

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TreeBay

Probably something like the attached, before putting it into a growing box or the ground. Maybe even more movement in the lower bend if you can create it. The "straightish" sections between the bends are important.

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vance hanna

My suggestion is as Matt had said: place them both back in the ground and let them go wild for a few years. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

In the meantime: visit your local nursery and select specimens that will have promise.You'll have more to work on and less frustration and possibly the risk of killing your two that you've gathered from your landscape.

Best,
vance hanna

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weeijk

Hi All,


I've left the Pinus in the garden to grow more, as you all suggested.
I still wanted to do something with the Larch. After wiring it in the decired shape, I've put the tree in a growing box. I hope I did a good job in wiring the tree, offcourse the electrical wire will go in the future, I left it for the time being.

About what has been said about the taper in the trunk of the Larch, sorry but I don't agree here. For a Literati, taper in the trunk, isn't important.

What do you think about the tree now?

thanks for all replys, Wessel

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