fun with gingko's

SRVoodoo

THAT is the nicest Ginko I've ever seen.
usually, they look very ......unruly....for lack of a better word...
I'm loving the whole Forest idea though.
do Ginkos do well from cuttings?

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SRVoodoo

...I have a question....
WHY would you want to chop the tree down AT the garden center or nursery?

JohnQuinn

It helps getting it home...getting it into the car,truck, or bus!

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rockm

"...I have a question....
WHY would you want to chop the tree down AT the garden center or nursery"

Just to see the look on the nurseryman's face when you finish sawing a $200 maple in half...

Seriously, it's not really l"chopping a tree down" in the sense you're chopping it to the ground. Trunk chopping in bonsai is step one in bonsai training. The majority of bonsai begin as larger trees that are reduced to bonsai height by removing their upper growth.

Bonsaiable trees in a nursery or in the wild are sometimes 25 feet tall or more. You can't get a 25 foot tree into a pick up, much less a four door sedan's trunk. You have to reduce those trees to three or four feet not only to make them fit into the trunk, but to start them on their way in bonsai training.

ozzerbon

OH DEAR----Rockm! Rockm! Rockm!

Me thinks you live in never never land, $200 for a maple are ya kidd'n or what, would never waste that kinda dough on a maple of any sort, for sure no starter tree of any species

I'm 72, have to carry my prizes in a small [tiny] shopping trolly, so I cut them down to let's say about 60cm high, that works for me.

Never do what you guys in the States do, trunk chopping, nor am I into that ridiculous style call Sumo....YUK

All my trees look like trees, small trees as they do it in China, me no likey Japanese manicures, nor those un-natural fat trunks, have a few Japanese imports, but they are the exception and chosen for ther species alone.

Me also don't drive, can't think why I'd want too, never had the need either, so use buses, trams, trains and willing friends for the occasional drive/pickup.

Not attacking you or anyone else, just stating the facts man, yep, just stating the facts.

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Nigel

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rockm

"Me thinks you live in never never land, $200 for a maple are ya kidd'n or what, would never waste that kinda dough on a maple of any sort, for sure no starter tree of any species"

Me thinks you're not thinking clearly Two hundred for a "starter" maple isn't that bad--if the material is good. Good nursery material or collected material is where you find it and worth paying for.

A prime example:

http://users.ez2.net/manning/profil...hin/goshin.html

Check out the starter trees Naka used for this forest in his books. Primary tree, if I remember correctly, was a landscape juniper cut down from over 15 feet. The complete planting is well over three feet tall

ozzerbon

G'day Rockm,

Fool'n around aside, I know we think we live on the same planet, but someone has to at long last come up with the facts, we don't.

Holland is well worth the visit, is a tiny pocket country, would fit into a corner of any Australian farm worthy of the name and not even be noticed.

Holland is awash with trees, let's go so far as to say of almost every species available, on this planet at least. While to you $200 appears to be a pittance over here it's close to be nearer to being BIG BUCKS. Sure ya hears of trees that run into the many 1000s of euros, but these are the EXCEPTION and not the rule of thumb.

While you can pick up neat little Japanese imports, eg., A Tamarix 12cm high for a 170 euro, but at the same time you can go to almost any garden center here and pick up a respectable Tamarix starter for about 20 euro, so it appears to me that you don't seem to know the difference between our two lands, and then again over here [well at least for me, personally] I always get huge reductions added on as well.

Only this last week I was taken to two bonsai dealers, A was Chinese, B was Dutch, A was selling LARGE Chinese Bonsai Junipers for 100 euros, while B was selling the same/similar between 2000 to 4000 euro, so who can figure that one out.

Cutting trees down in nurseries is the norm' over here, so almost everybody goes about with a pair of secateurs in his pocket, and why not and why are you so surprised.

The bonsai planet is, so it seems, is split into two halves, #1. the American way, and #2. the rest of the world....so go figure dude.

Much respect, and friendly greetings,
Nigel

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I agree with almost everything you say Nigel, but I do think that Japanese Maples might actually be somewhat of an exception. Even here in the NL with Boskoop growing every tree imaginable, japanese maples with decent diameter trunks are way more expensive than almost everything else.

A 3" caliper Gingko will indeed cost you only about 40,-, (that slingshot I showed was 17,-) but a 3" diameter maple you simply won't find at prices much lower than the mentioned 200,- Many garden center carry those standard dissectums, those are usually somewhat cheaper, but any slightly less common cultivar usually has a rather hefty price attached to it.

Just saw some landscape deshojos at Lodders yesterday. About 3.5m (9'-12') tall, nothing spectacular shape wise, about 4" trunk calipers, they were selling for 600,- to about 1000,- O.k. so Lodder is maybe not the cheapes place for maples, but I don't think even Esveld would be selling a tree like that for much less.

If you like maples, you will simply have to reach a bit deeper into your pockets. A real shame...
Lodder has some very nice Deshojos at the moment. Selling around 240,- to 300,- which compared to the prices of some other material they're selling, is almost resonable.


btw. Female Gingko seedling? Hard to come by, very interesting... Smelly though....

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rockm

"The bonsai planet is, so it seems, is split into two halves, #1. the American way, and #2. the rest of the world....so go figure dude."

Prices for Japanese maples are always high, as are larger landscape trees for starter stock. The U.S. is awash in vastly more stock than Holland has--simple fact of geography. The best of that is usually more expensive the world over.

As for inexpensive, we have access to huge collected stock for what you're paying for imported Japanese stuff. The same collected stock in Europe is triple the price it is here--ask Walter Pall.

It's a matter of what's around and what you're willing to pay for it--same around the world. Nothing US vs the world about it.