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Old 6-Dec-2007   #1
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The Fringe Lunatic's White Pine

This is a White Pine recently acquired by a friend. I had the pleasure to work on this tree for him...the following are a couple of pics

As it started

After about 8 hours of wiring and arranging branches


Since this tree is not mine I didn't remove as much as I might have. There are several places on the tree that branches or partial branches could easily be removed to refine the image. The apex is also in need a couple more years of development.

If you have any comments please share!
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Old 6-Dec-2007   #2
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That's a great looking tree. Would you mind giving some dimensions?

I like the heaviness of the lower branch on the right, but it seems a bit much. Although I can see bringing that whole right side together once it fills in a bit.

I've been staying away from pines up until now, but lately I have seen more and more that interests me. Thanks for the inspiration.
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Old 6-Dec-2007   #3
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Thanks for the reply Chad (?)

The tree is 24" from the top of the pot and 18" at the widest point.
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Nice look'n brute mate, so now all ya gotta do is to wire every tiny branch heavenwards, then ye're talk'n.
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John, I agree with you, the tree still looks to confusing when following the line of the tree from the base to the top. I would have considered removing the top 25% -30% of the tree and using the part of the tree that moves toward the left as the apex. And the lowest branch seems to have too many branches growing from the same place, this could be a problem. I would have possibly removed one or two of them.
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Hello John,

Another tree that I'd love a go at.

First branch to the right = apex to the right or so they say , balanced by the jin on the left.

Something a bit on the rugged side perhaps (see below) with or without a low back branch in keeping with somewhat neagari base.

The forward pointing root could be a minus.

What a good start.
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love ya work john, but agree with ozzerbon.
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Branch tip direction

Ok Ozzerbon and Antonio...lets talk about the branch tips. I am by no means an expert with pines but here is what I have observed and experienced in terms of developing foliage pads so that the bud tips grow upward on pines.

This tree is certainly still in its development stages...its had no wiring for several years...the foliage had been allowed to extend without proper pruning and attention. As I wired, I purposely did not point all the tips up. I wanted to expose the inside portions of the branches so that there would be maximize opportunity for back budding. I have also found that, although it takes much longer, the new buds that form on these branches will face upward and in a season or two the foliage pads will have a much more natural look.

Does this make sense?
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Well yep, grammatically what you've written makes sense, but that's the whole thing about bonsai being an artform, ya've just gotta do the work dude.

I have a good armful of pines of various types, and all the needles point up.

Sounds to me that you're daunted by the enormous amount of time it's gonna take you, sure, but spread it over a week or two, working from the topdown, which means do the uppermost branches first.

I tell you what, you'll be knocked out by the time ya've done it, and as pleased as Punch.

I saw a TV programme ages ago, two Yankees doing gardens in the UK, and they came to this bloke, a Scots bonsai teacher, and he had his poor students cringing as he insisted that they wired absolutely every single branch, no matter how small. If I taught bonsai [no thank you], I do exactly the same.

Have a great weekend mate,

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Hey Nigel... Thank you again for your comments. I am not sure daunted has any role here as I have already spent at least 12 hours wiring and 90% or more of all the branches are already wired.

I agree completely that the tree would look better now if I took that approach, but my goal is to encourage backbudding. This tree stills needs a lot of work in terms of branch selection and refinement. It has been my experience with Bonsai in general that the quickest solution is not always the best for the long term. I think this tree is at least 5 if not 10 years from really being nice. At that time you can bet your bottom dollar dude that every foliage tip will be wired and carefully placed
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