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Elandan Gardens Project: Lodge Pole Pine Defoliation

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Old 12-May-2007   #11
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Oh My God!

Congrats Vic for the pine and for getting Dale to remain quiet!!!! LOL
Must be the old age thing getting him....
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By the way Dale welcome to the old geezer age....
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Old 13-May-2007   #12
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Aluminum wire is great- if you buy good wire. The korean wire is just too soft to hold anything with resistance. The japanese and some of the chinese wire is quite good. Why do I use copper?- because I prefer to (this should in no way be construed as a value statement). John
Ah yes, copper vs aluminum,another eternal argument.I use aluminum myself,it's lighter weight(Therefore less of a strain on the tree ?) ,more flexible,and easier to mold to the shape of the branches.
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Originally Posted by Dale Cochoy
I wanted to reply to this ....
but...
I won't....

I can tell from last few posts that "The word of Dan" will prevail in Vics posts from now on.

D.

The day a friend as dear to me as you... hesitates to speak his mind to me... is a sad day. There is no thing which I would not wish you to say. You could tell me that Dan is full of it, and I'd respect that. And then I'd ask questions... because you know I always do. Do not be afraid that I have no thoughts of my own. Believe me, I have Dan explain himself to me all the time, when I don't quite agree.

But I respectfully acknowledge that he is a huge influence... I can't spend up to 15 hours a week with the man, up to my neck in trees, and not be influenced by him. But never doubt the ability of my mind to decide for itself. You know me better than that Dale.

I am posting his trees... I am showing his work, or the work he has asked me to do. If someone asks me why he does something, or why he asks me to do something a certain way, out of respect I will answer as he would answer it.

So tell me what you wanted to say... I truly desire to hear it. You would be hard put to offend me Dale... because it's not personal to me. Thinking I have given up having a mind of my own, if you truly believe it, would disturb me. But it does not offend me.

I tell you the truth, and I think Dan would be pleased enough to hear me say so... I have no intention of becoming a clone of Dan. I have every intention of doing what he really desires of me though... and that is to create my own unique expression in the art of bonsai. Exactly what that will be... I have no idea. I'm still learning to see with open eyes.

So no holding your tongue... and more, no ducking for cover. Not with me, or from me anyway. I'm the last person on this earth you would need to hold you tongue with. (smile)


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Old 13-May-2007   #14
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Keep up the good work Ms Vic, and hopefully we can meet in late June.

Jason

Looking forward to it Jason... And then I can show you the smokin cool lil beauty I want to acquire from Dan... a Mountain Hemlock.

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"Dan doesn't stress the tools or the methods... he stresses results"

HA. BLASPHEMY

"He believes with great conviction that there isn't any significant benefit to be had with using copper. "

Expect villagers with pitchforks and torches now that you're said this in public

You know you're probably going to look back at this experience in a decade or so as you're working on your own collection of huge trees (working with big trees is habit forming. You might find you are unable to work on anything smaller than two feet after you're done) with marvel. You're extremely privileged to have tapped a rich well of experience.

P.S.--I'd say the exercise in unwinding the wire might be similar to the "wax on, wax off" shtick in Karate Kid Unwinding it unveils how it was done and shows you how to do it--all while doing a REALLY tedious, time consuming, task for Dan.
Mark...

A little blasphemy is exactly what mainstream bonsai needs...

As to the villagers bit... that was funny. But I don't mind if someone disagrees, it'll just make for stimulating conversation.

I have already realized a true fondness for size.... I'm soooooooooooo glad I have acreage... (laugh) I have room for it. And shoot... I'm marveling now. Dan and I have already determined that we'll be bickering over trees long into his old age. Cept eventually I get to tell him just to be quiet and leave me to it, and *I* will be the one with the die-grinder. (He got a laugh out of that.)

Believe me, I keyed in on the value of unwinding for the purpose of learning, about 5 mins into it.... while I was sweatin' bullets. I actually want to do a bit of a article on how he wires, as with everything else... it's unusual in some respects. I do like knowing, that by doing the tedious stuff, I give him time to do other more artistic projects. Like applying wire to another tree, which I'll get to unwire at some future date.


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G'day Victrinia...

In case you didn't know...here's a wee bit of info about David Rowe.

Among other things, David was Editor of the ABS Journal from 2000 to 2005.

He was a member of the Toronto Bonsai Society for 23 years, where he served on the executive committee, was newsletter editor, show chairman, vice president and president...and more.

Then he moved west, bringing his skills and knowledge with him to Vancouver.

It appears he's done well in a lot of things.

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Thanks for the answers on the wire. It was just to satisfy my curiosity, I was by no means suggesting anything else. Reusing aluminum wire is fine, in fact it's the ultimate act of recycling.

I don't use that much aluminum except for drain hole mesh securing and tying trees in to pots. The sun down here can bleach the coating off in one season and the bright aluminum looks bad to me, although I may be the only person that ever sees it on my trees. I like the patina on the copper wire but I know that's not a good reason to use copper wire.

Thanks again for all of the info and the photos of these special trees.

Interesting truth... One reason Dan likes using aluminum wire, is precisely because it becomes bright. It's noticeable, you'll see it better to monitor for biting. And not forget where it's at on the tree. He sees wire as a short term issue... only being needed generally for a few years. So he does not mind if it is noticable.

Just an interesting perspective... since you mentioned your own preference.

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Man I got pounced on when I told someone in my club I unwound the wire off a tree . But the reason they cut instead of unwinding is because there's a much greater chance of breaking a branch or bending it out of the shape it was wired into when you unwind vs cutting. I found that if you hold the branch/wire a couple inches lower than the part you're unwinding it works fine. If you hold too far away, the branch can flop all over! I've done more damage cutting than unwinding... nipped too far and nicked a few branches.

I'd love to have some aluminum wire, much easier on the hands! And since i'm not showing anything, I don't care what color it is. Matter of fact I didn't bother to strip the colored insulation off some copper wire I used on an experiment tree... it's red, green, white, and grey LOL. My hands didn't smell like old pennies when I was done either!
Hrm, I wonder if handling a lot of copper wire could cause the body to absorb too much copper

Dale didn't voice his opinion?!?!?!? Is he feeling ok?!?!?!?! LOL
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Wow, what an amazing tree! Be careful, though! If the tree backbuds to much, Dan will have you removing all the growth!

Being a "traditionalist" myself, I find the Japanese ethos of using the least amount of wire possible to do the job correctly a fascinating study in discipline. I used nothing but aluminum for years. When Boon told me to wire this Mendocino Cypress using copper, I spent the next 2 1/2 days sweating bullets. I used the excuse that aluminum is much easier, so he gave me a corkbark oak and some aluminum wire! So much for excuses...

One of the keys to wiring and unwiring is hand position. If you support the previous loop while turning the next one when wiring, or the next loop while unwiring, your branch should never move at all. Support the loop, and guide the wire around the branch with the forefinger of your dominant hand. The wire should bend without touching the branch, and only be "on" the branch as you prepare for the next loop.

Branches break, it happens to everyone. The key is to minimize it. So make your unwiring and exact reverse of what you do in wiring.
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