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25-Mar-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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ohhhhhhhh are you for real  mannnnnnn i envy ya! the deshojo or ShinDeshojo & Seigens are my favourite of all....!!!! but they are so rare it isnt funny! & to have a tree like that..!!!!!!! do you recon u can take closer picture of it and tell us more about your tree?...age etc? |
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25-Mar-2008
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Here is the deshojo you asked about. It's 17" tall with a 1 1/2" trunk. It's really just stock as I have not made the final selection on branchinig. I have owned it for three years now and really enjoy the color. Should be around 15-20 years old? Thanks, Tim Last edited by TimZ8 : 25-Mar-2008 at 05:13 PM. |
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25-Mar-2008
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*grumble grumble* ...Zone 8 show-offs... *grumble grumble*
Maybe in a week or two buds will begin to swell around here.
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26-Mar-2008
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 WOW!!! if i had that tree i would not ever look at another bonsai treee again! in sydney we have 6 nurserys for bonsai and there is only ONE person who sells them... but nothing established.... all small cuttings or very thin grafts. welldone man! keep us posted on when you decide to choose your branches in winter.... |
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26-Mar-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Mar-2004
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eeiko, you too can own one or at least similar, try looking for a seed grown Acer palmatum atro purpureum, it may well be deshojo under a different name. I have a young one at home which I picked up a couple of years ago in 140mm pot.
Look hard and you will find one eeiko.
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27-Mar-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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champion i admire your hopes & comfort...lol but seriously, do you even have any idea how LONG it will take a seed to grow into something liek that?!?!?!?!? he just mentioned that his tree was 15 - 20 years old..whether that was completely time in the pot...or a trunk chop...is unsure..... can you imagine yourself in 20 years? id be 46 man........! apparently atropupureum is very different to Deshojo... atropurpureum has natrually very large leaves and not suitable for bonsai cultivation... and has very coarse growth. experts describe them as "Inferior" the colour is more of a Crimson and burgandy coloured.... not Bright red like the Deshojo...shindeshojo or Chishio palmatums..... although they are the most common seeds sold online..... the Seigen is bright pink.... seigen and deshojo are not really available in seedlings... they are grafted or cuttings from the parent/hyrbid palmatum tree... |
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27-Mar-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Mar-2004
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hmmm,
oh well, i will push on with the atro and maybe plant it into the ground . thankyou for your research. if you are 46 in 20 years then you will be 46. seed grown stock has a special place in my collection, (not to say that i dont have cutting stock). it is very rewarding to watch a tree grow into maturity from seed.
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27-Mar-2008
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i know what you mean, ive got a few seeds of my own.. ive purchased most of the red Maple cultivars.. including Acer Palmatum - Rubrum, BloodGood & many other red dissectum types the BloodGood by the way is an Improved version of the Atropurpureum... the only reason i planted seeds was to see the intresting different cultivars of coloured leaves thats all, i really dont have much hope of growing them to something spectacular. id say put it in the ground... but even if you do put it in the ground...to get something like his tree....i dont know his trees dimensions but id say at least minimum 7 years... (if you think about it, thats a LONG time). but you are right about seedlings, you have more control of your tree & its roots than cuttings. and if you do decide to go the ground... apparently its better if you leave it to grow uncontrollably, and do a BIG UGLY chop when its time...you get a nice thick trunk...then slowly take years to build a leader/tapering apex. and if you keep choping it down every year as its growing in the ground it stuns the trees growth and prevent/disturb it from getting thick.... i guess just experiement....grow some in flower pots and some in the ground, study the difference... |
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27-Mar-2008
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Join Date: Mar-2004
Location: Huntersville, NC (near Charlotte)
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It's nice to see some maples showing off their colors. We're still a bit behind you as most of my maples are just now bursting, only a Kiyohime is in leaf.
Good thing too. Two nights ago we got down to 25°F and had substantial frost. Nice display!
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27-Mar-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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Kiyohime MAPLE
?WHAT?!....U GOT ONE OF THEM ?no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! talk about rare aftifacts!, rarest of the rare! u got a picture you can show us?.....apparently those maples have a natrual broom shape......extremely slow growing... and very very very delicate.... they are even more easily scrortched by sun than any other maple. less able to defend themselves against insect or fungal attacks, and if not regularly thinned out, it can cause die back due to lack of air/ventilation! and it said that these trees are unlike other maples or other trees.....the energy of growth is channeld vertically HORIZONTALLY rather than vertically like other trees, causing a low spreading shrub....other trees concentrate on growing taller and rapid APEX... this particular cultivar...apparently ONLY the side branches must be pruned, any attempt to prune the few upward-growing branches would result in the total loss of the central part of the crown, and would ruin the bonsai forever....... amazing trees............ do show us!!! |
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