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Old 26-Mar-2005   #1
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Black Alder semi cascade

After a season in the garden its thickened nicely-it suggested semi cascade right away, and so I reduced it to one leader, then wired in a lazy S shape.
Stem is about an inch thick, planted in a flower pot to allow some root growth.
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Old 26-Mar-2005   #2
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After a season in the garden its thickened nicely-it suggested semi cascade right away, and so I reduced it to one leader, then wired in a lazy S shape.
Stem is about an inch thick, planted in a flower pot to allow some root growth.


Looks like you're headed in the right direction with this one, Larry. Nice job.

For future reference, I'd probably prefer to use a shoot from the top side of the cascade for the new leader rather than one from the bottom. That way the chop is beneath the new leader instead of exposed for all to see, and that way you get a more realistic sort of movement: upward-growing young shoot being forced down by wind/snow/whatever, rather than young shoot magically sprouting downward of its own free will.


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Thank you, Carl, for suggesting that to Larry. That is the kind of suggestion that you can't get in books. It shows a WAY to think about pruning, and that is very useful for everyone to know.

Posts like this, the day to day seeing of trees and discussion of options, is a priceless exchange, and is as close to personal training as most of us are likely to get. We can accept or reject the thought based on our own preferences, but the accumulation of suggestions and hints really adds up quickly. Real trees, real situations, instead of line drawings and idealizations.

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Old 27-Mar-2005   #4
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Thanks for the info Carl, I finally did something right for a change
As regards that top cut, well that was a latent bud originally, didnt know it was going to take off, and i had to remove it all as it was thicker than the lower portion of the stem-talk about rapid growth!

I'm looking forward to seeing this one grow as its quite an attractive species(not sure of the spoecies name, wil have to look it up)
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Have just discovered its Italian Alder-Alnus cordata
Heres a link about the species.
http://www.the-tree.org.uk/BritishT...alianalderc.htm

Its under English Trees, but this isnt a native of the UK!
Look at the leaves:
http://www.the-tree.org.uk/BritishT...ian2.htm#Leaves
Quite different!
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Update-June

Heres as it is now, after reducing the length of the leader. I stood the pot on its end so that the leader would grow in the direction i wanted.
Ignore the wire, its crap!
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Larry,

You could make those holes in the leaves bigger, so that we can see the trunk through them?
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Update

Here it is today just before repotting-it really had some roots on it!

There are a couple of side branches, not sure whether to include these in the semi cascade plan or just use them as sacrifice branches.
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I would leave those branches and leave the tree as is. I think it's got great shape (in the second picture it looks brilliant).

Interesting to see if you can reduce the size of those leaves though.
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great point joanie and here's just another point of veiw, i hardly ever do any bottom cuts anymore: 1 they take to long to heal if they ever do properly and 2 they promote budding on the top of the trunk or branch when in a horizontal postion. what does this matter you ask? when bending over to a horizontal line this creates a m shape, when a bottom shoot is bent up to a horizontal line it creates a w shape which by the way looks not only more elegant but also more natural. It is a very credible story for the top leader to break off with a forcefull wind and a bottom leader take over and move with the flow of the wind. as for looking at the scar on top it will be gone in 2 to 3 years, and bonsai is viewed from the front not the top. Now in the name of design you do what you gotta do and when broken down in this manner what larry has done is just as correct as any . Well done larry.
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Thank you, Carl, for suggesting that to Larry. That is the kind of suggestion that you can't get in books. It shows a WAY to think about pruning, and that is very useful for everyone to know.
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