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20-Apr-2008
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Apart from the thinning it needs, any other changes would make the tree to perfect and ruin it IMHO
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20-Apr-2008
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I'm sorry....this literati is not making me feel warm and fuzy. It reminds me of the last pine tree in Alabama to be cut for newspaper.
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20-Apr-2008
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I hope that was a joke, if not it's just ignorant. You could show this tree as is at most shows I have been too and not be embarrassed by it. I think it has its problems but it is not a candidate for the pulp grinder.
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20-Apr-2008
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Vance... He's being a sour-puss for all the fussing about changing it I would wager... he practically wanted to take it out on a date in post #4... Kindest regards, Victrinia |
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20-Apr-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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destitute of knowledge
Yes it has charm...but it just reminds me of a pulpwood pine.....i don't know.
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20-Apr-2008
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My word... aren't you fickle....  Dumped the pretty tree after one date. |
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20-Apr-2008
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Forget him, Victrinia-
He just can't stand to go this long without some conflict. This is all I can see to improve this tree aside from Vance's thoughts on thinning (yes, it's essential). As far as the design, we're talking about a few VERY MINOR tweaks to bring out the sense of gravity having worked longer on the lower branches.
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20-Apr-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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given to erratic changeableness
I think you are on to something Victrinia...there is not enough violation of design principles...the arrangement is too proper. In my destitute thinking, bunjin needs to be a little more bizarre..a little less pulpwoody maybe...I don't know.
This tree has the look sort of. No proper arrangement of branches...just cropped by weather type look. Last edited by kingkong : 20-Apr-2008 at 08:14 PM. |
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21-Apr-2008
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Hello all.. This thread is definitely maintaining its interest. Well, I have some new pics... I did some subtle work on it this weekend. As you know, I posted that upon the repot, I angles the tree about 20 degrees towards the viewer. I was unsure of my decision at first. However, I am realizing that it was the right this to do. I have noticed the the slight, inoccuous leaning of the tree towards you has actually given the trunk a little more curve and definitely made it more pleasing to the eye.
However, after this reangling. I realized that the rest of the branches need rewiring. In fact it is not necessarilly that the tree needs a lot of thinning, it does need some. However, it was more the angle of the branches combined with the lighting that was making it really appear more bushy than it was. My work on it consisted of wrapping silicone tape around the trunk and running a wire on the last 2/3 of the trunk. I bent back the upper/mid portion or the trunk slightly and also picked up the apex and brought it back. However, the apex still has the slight bow towards the viewer which I like. Also, did some thinning. Actually, if you saw the tree in person from over head, you would think that there wasn't as much foliage as it would appear. The first 2 pics are front. The last 2 are the right and left views. |
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21-Apr-2008
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Bonsai Master, in my mind
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Well Friends...
Just felt the need to jump in again... For starters...John Von said "…this tree is that it is a 1980's design...". That's where I was going...only further back. Then, Ms. Vic said "… update the style of this tree into a more modern interpertation, would be a loss...". I'm not qualified to give a history lesson, but...before the "literati" bonsai style, there was a loosly knited movement, in China, that involved artists and scholars. These artists and scholars were known as the "literati"...the literate/educated. From the "literati" artists emerged an art style, called the "literati style", paintings and drawings, that depicted trees that look similar to what is in the picture that Mike posted. Trees with tall slender trunks...sparse foliage...foliage, generally, only at the top of the tree. Then, one day, one of these "literatis" decided that he wanted a tree in a pot...a bonsai...that imulated the trees in thier pictures. Walla! The "literati" bonsai style was born! Now, Emil said "…By reducing it to something that you've seen in a picture you strip it of everything that makes it literati, and turn it into pure craft...". Emil says that I am "...reducing it to something that you've seen...". If it were not for pictures/drawings such as Mike's picture, we wouldn't even be discussing the "literati" style. Would we? Check this out...at any bonsai show that uses scrolls in the displays, you will see a few, if not many, examples of this "literati" style art (Mike's picture). If you go back and review my post, I'm sure you will see I was stating opinion, not gospel. So, my friends...you know better where I'm coming from...this is what works for me. Maybe it can work for you...or not. Pat
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