Yamadori at Christmas Tree Farm

BrianBay9

Dang Vance....that seems a bit harsh. I read Bob's last response as humor....

Brian

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nclivingwaters

malhomme

I thought it was just as snarky as post #6. Too bad.

Cheers,
Jim

malhomme

That's cute! I wrote about "Ushidori", or cow-pruned trees, last year, here: http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=10711

While not yamadori, the trees that are pruned by cattle are nice and stocky with intresting ramification. They do marvelous things with cedar elms.

Cheers,
Jim

rockm

"Others have me digging up everything from something looking like the Charlie Brown Christmas Tree to the Rockefeller Center tree."

We simply don't know what your level of experience is.

People with access to trees in the field often dig up the Charlie Brown Christmas tree AND the Rockefeller Center tree and believe what they have is actually workable. They think what they have a wonderful piece of valuable bonsai material. It usually ain't and never will be.

Unfortunately, over the years, I've found there is a mania to collecting that takes hold of some people. They dig just about anything they come across, with no real consideration to anything other than getting their "prize" into a pot or their yard. Not saying you're in this category, just saying the category exists and addressing those concerns often separates the seedlings from the yamadori

Bottom line for anyone digging trees bigger than seedlings (digging seedlings ain't really collecting or at least the actual digging isn't--seedlings don't realy qualify as "yamadori"--I'll duck now efore someoen hits me with a tomato )--LOOK at what you're digging CRITICALLY--especially the lower third of the trunk. Be prepared to walk away if a tree doesn't measure up. Don't dig just to dig--you waste your time and the tree's life.

Consider the branching on conifers, as you cannot remove it completely. Consider the timeline not only in terms of design, but more immediately in terms of the plant's recovery...

RonMartin(deceased)

Skywriting

So sorry Vance, I apologize for responding to your post. Sounds to me like your feathers or should I say leafs have been ruffled.
This will be the last post I will be placing on this matter.
Again I mentioned nothing about digging in my post. As long as you have take the liberty to determine attitudes, I feel I should have that privilage also. Seems to me that you have a bit of an attitude when you interrupt some ones replies on this forum and the attitude is rather condescending. I came to this forum to get information , asked for it and received from others what I sought. You don't know me but choose to form a opinion from several paragraphs posted on a community forum.
I can also see that sarcastic humor isn't your cup of tea. Needless to say, we will not be having tea together any time soon.
Good luck to you and hope your meet with a better response the next time your looking for information in a field your not that familiar with.
One suggestion and this coming from someone involved in teaching for over 50yrs. Don't be so judgmental, I'm not attempting to mark any of your territory.

The Best
Bob

zen

I have actually seen , somewhere, that conatant grazing by animals is one of the "natural" causes of dwarfing in a given specimen, along with harsh weather conditions, poor or very limited soil conditions, as well as high altitudes(which could very well just be a combintaion of other cuases).
I'm sure there are some i'm leaving out,...but hey I hope you guys work out your differences, from an objective possition, it seems that it really all comes down to a couple of missunderstandings. Best of luck.

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RonMartin(deceased)

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That has been in almost every book written about bonsai.
The big thing is what is worth the effort of collecting. I think this is what most are trying to get across