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15-Oct-2004
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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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Atilla -
I love the E.H. Gombrich quote. Al- I am not certain I understood your point of why “schools” are unnecessary. I think schools of thought could be helpful for points of reference when giving ones own opinions during a critique of work. It’s one thing to personally have an opinion about something and quite another to be able to reference an entire school of a similar opinion. As far as practicing bonsai, it sounds awfully limiting to me to rigidly create work in a single vain. I had a teacher that described the process of making art as similar to that of the practice of an olympic athlete.The athlete is trying to reduce the amount of down time due to physical stress on the body between times of performing. If you can minimize your downtime and allow your body to rest at quicker intervals you can increase the amount of times you can practice your athletic performance. And practice makes perfect in Olympic sports, as in the world of visual arts. Picasso had talent beyond compare. But one reason he was able to produce so many different great works of art was that he was able to reduce the amount of down time between the creation of his works. I’m not certain he really had a down time. But I believe he was a pretty crummy human being because of this. Anyways I think every artist is going to make a bunch of garbage just to come up with one good piece of art every now and then. Al I appreciate your work put into this post. I like the use of the examples to make your point. Your collection of bonsai photos are a great reference tool. I was a bit confused by your post, I think you may be trying to get across to many thoughts in one post. Thanks Mark |
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15-Oct-2004
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I like this poster. This guy knows how to work a discussion forum. Ask questions about the message, don't shoot the messenger with rhetoric that has nothing to do with the substance.
I feel that the same ideals that make penjing work are the same ideals that make bonsai work. The same as saikai or kusomono, or ikebani or flower arranging in general, or anything that is artistic. These schools have nothing to do with that. They be branch arrangement or foliage pad development or trunk size or orientation in a pot. Those may be some point that differentiate a school, but they are still bound by universal points of artistic merit to be good. There are those that could have a book on a school of Chinese bonsai, they could still make a crappy Chinese schooled Penjing. If they don't use the artistic basics it will not work. Thats my take, Al
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Attila Soos
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Whew! where did I go right?
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16-Oct-2004
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I think the question is less whether "schools are unnecessary" or whether we need the construction of "American schools of bonsai." Of course there have been some notable advances in the course of working with North American species, Vaughn Banting's work with bald cypress being an outstanding one. Many of you can name more of these. But the thing that most American bonsai seem to share is a lack of refinement and sense of artistry. Now I am no great artisan by any means, just a student. And please make note of the word "most."
I quit showing my trees several years ago. Why? Because I was exposed to quality trees. I realized I was settling for far too little by exhibiting trees that were unfinished and unartistic. I decided to remove myself from the misapprehension that I was doing my own thing, that my trees were good enough, that I was just a hobbyist, and that everyone has their own opinion and that's okay. Americans have a distinct personality. We tend to be rugged individualists, deciding we need to reinvent the wheel at every opportunity. Most of us never realize that we can't really advance an art or science until we master what is known of it already. We all think we are the genius who can leap past what masters have done. But face it, none of us is an Amadeus or Michelangelo. Can we really call ourselves "the Picasso of Bonsai?" Personally I am striving to become a competent journeyman, with hopes of moving forward as time goes by. By building a solid foundation, I will have the tools I need to achieve what I want. Chris
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