Why Do We Use An Odd Number Of Trees In A Forest?

pootsie

I count 15. Tricky with that piccy tho

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Ian_Homer

Well, now I just counted 14 twice, although the two smaller ones could well be shadows, which then makes 12! (But then, where are the other shadows?)

Funny, how there are more "mods" all over this thread

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bwaynef

I have a finite amount of time in a given day. Of that day, G is the group of time allotted to my bonsai fix. Within G there is a subgroup Sg where I read some of the links on group theory and found nothing to justify the assertion that humans group even numbers easier than odd. A follow up search yielded little though I admit I was approaching the end of G. All I'm left with is your assertion which seems to be a pretty central premise of your argument. Where can I find info on the human minds perception as it relates to even and odd number arrangements and its inherent grouping?

WF




ps. The pic attached below I've marked the trees I see in yellow. I count 14. The red mark appears to be a shadow, not another tree. Am I right? (Does it matter since the discussion seems centered on <10 tree forests?) The shadows of the trees are falling on the moss in the pot. Any other "shadows" that appear on the walls must be trees, no?

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Joanie

http://painting.about.com/library/b...itionclass3.htm

Here's one. I didn't read much of it, though. Maybe it will help.

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Ian_Homer

Now on closer inspection, you can see there is a definate difference in tones.

I think we are looking at an 11 tree group, WITH 3 shadows. (How on earth - I do not know, but it looks like a midday sun, so the angle is steep and some of the others are actually behind the slab). ??

Gentlemen, please keep it to subject matters that we mere mortals can comprehend. Wayne - do you work in the legal field by any chance?

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Joanie

Sorry, I meant to use this one:

http://journalofvision.org/2/2/1/article.aspx

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bwaynef

Joanie, that paper appears to prove that the human eye can detect symmetry very quickly. I read about a page's worth of it, but thats not really the question at hand. Of course arranging an even number of trees symmetrically will leave something desired. I don't believe anyone's doing that, or talking about it.

WF

ps. Did anyone read my reply on the first page?

Joanie

In taking a moment to read the paper more thoroughly, indeed, it does not address the question. I had read this quote:

The response to updates of random patterns was multiphasic, consisting of P65, N90, P110, N140 and P220 peaks. The response to symmetric/random sequences was indistinguishable from that for random/random sequences up to about 220 msec, after which the response to symmetric patterns became relatively more negative.

And had taken "negative" to mean an emotional reaction rather than whatever it means in the narrow lexicon of the science in this paper. Now, having read more of it, apparently the "negative" part was not about emotional/cognative response at all, and the paper only addresses how quickly we can find symmetry and the brain's functions associated with that.

Well, unfortunately, not much time today either. So, maybe later, time to look more throroughly.

Joanie

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Will_Heath

I have updated the first post here with some excellent links to forest bonsai articles.


Will