When Artistry Interferes with Objectivity

RonMartin(deceased)

Sorry Won't happen again.
But bringing this back discussion on track. I still agree with Al

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jhill

Pardon me guys ,
But What does objectivity mean?

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mike_p

Raising objections?

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jhill

I hope this thread did not spur this debate ( I like to think of them as debates)
http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=10270
Al was just showing something that made sense to him and I commend him on it. Where I probably was thinking to much on the (so called rules) where what he was saying has got alot of grounds of what he was trying to convey. So this started a debate (which is healthy if kept in context) Now everyone has there views on what they think bonsai should look like?(what does bonsai look like??) To Al it is what it looks like to him and to me it is what it looks like to me. And to others it is what it is not. So I agree the debates on bonsai are great but when it attacks fellow artists then it is not bonsai. To each his own!! Bonsai to me may not be bonsai to you. Its how you concieve it. Many great artists go through this dilema to try and covey there point of views. They don't mean to hurt but words typed have just what is read not what is felt. So I feel that bonsai is what is felt not what is typed. We are all friends in bonsai and we should all act accordingly. I know at times this is hard and we all think our way is the right way but this may not be (think about it??)Everyone was where we are at now at sometime, or will be?

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In the context of this thread, Objectivity means retaining an open mind.

Of the core group at bonsaiTALK, few took up the artistry cause harder than Crow and I. In the past year there have been a few recruited towards the cause. In this pursuit I have come full circle and see bonsai in a little different light than I did two years ago. That pursuit of finding artistic ideals and tweaking trees that didn't fit my criteria, have made me aware of things I had not seen before. I still feel that the pursuit of artistic bonsai is a worthy goal and one which I seek, but not at the cost of all trees.

I still find the tree the most important part of the puzzle, one which should not be shrugged off so hastily in the name of artistry. Maybe just a step back once in a while, look at the forest and not just the trees.

I have changed my signature to reflect my outlook on bonsai. I will continue to style as many bonsai a year as possible. This year I will style at least 40 trees, maybe more in demo's. They will not all be artistic, some will not even be average. Some may be very nice. The point is, I will work with what I have, walk the walk, and not spend so much time talking the talk.

Thanks for asking, Al

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Carl_Bergstrom

Al,

You write this as if a commitment to artistry and an open mind to the emotive possibilities of a tree are mutually exclusive. Quite the opposite.

Rather, that foundation of our conversations about artistry should be the sort of honest and open viewing of the tree that Walter has so aptly described elsewhere. As Walter says, a tree should a be feast for the eyes, not for the intellect. But where that feast leaves off, there is plenty of room for the intellect to follow. A discussion of artistry need not dictate to us that one tree should be seen as successful while another should be seen as unsuccessful. Rather, a discussion of artistry should help us understand why one tree moves the viewer while another falls flat.

With my best regards,
Carl

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cato42

All--greetings, peace, and grace--

I've finally fought my way through the entire thread, and find that there is still an opening for a definitive answer to the question posed, and quoted above.

The answers are:

(a) The right

and

(b) 37.51 degrees

Both answers apply in all circumstances except on days including an "n" or "r" in their names or which are denoted by an even number on the calendar.

There. I hope that settles things.

Cheers.

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John Dixon

So you are saying the rear view is, using a back azimuth, 217.51 degrees (South, southwest)?

John

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...only on odd-numbered Tuesdays!

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