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12-Apr-2004

Hitza

Kimmo Kivelä

Join Date: Nov-2002

Location: Espoo

Country: Finland

USDA Zone: 5

AHS Heat Zone: ?

Posts: 65

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Hi!

It have been quite a long time since I have posted here, so I think that many of you doesn't remember me.

Well anyway I digged this Alder (lat. Alnus) from ground and I am going to put it in pot soon, well as soon as I have made one

. But there is something strange in the roots. The Alnus lives in symbiosis with a fungus which deliveres nitrogen into it, so these can bee that fungus but I'am not sure. So the question is should I leave them or take them out? If you can undertstand mine thought, please tell me what you think.

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12-Apr-2004	#2
Ralph BonsaiTalk Master B.S.er Join Date: Jun-2002 Location: Richardson, Texas Country: God Bless America USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 9 Posts: 1,285	If you are talking about mychorrizal fungi, I dont think you will see them as little shoots like this. mychorrizai live around the roots of the tree, and look more like spider webs. These are the seedling plants of some kind, or are suckers off the tree. Anyone please correct me if I am wrong here. __________________ Emerging from winter slumber Bonsai trees burst buds anew Spring is upon us! -Paul S. Last edited by Ralph : 12-Apr-2004 at 04:06 PM.

12-Apr-2004	#3
Hitza Kimmo Kivelä Join Date: Nov-2002 Location: Espoo Country: Finland USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 65	Hi! Yes that fungus looks like a spider web around the roots, but I thought that these could be some kind of stems of it. Yes it sounds little bit stupid but you never know .

12-Apr-2004	#4
Ralph BonsaiTalk Master B.S.er Join Date: Jun-2002 Location: Richardson, Texas Country: God Bless America USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 9 Posts: 1,285	Do this, pull one of the little stems up, if it comes up alone it was almost certainly just weed, if it resists, or somehow appears to be attached to a root of your tree, then you know your tree is suckering. Suckering is very common with some species, and I have no experience with this one. If it appears your tree is suckering, I would certainly begin asking on this forum and others, if someone knows of a way to control it. Suckering can rob the main tree of energy, and some species are effectively controlled. I am getting ready to remove a crepe myrtle trunk that I cut to the soil line out of my backyard. I will put it in a tub and evaluate it for possible bonsai. I am counting on the suckerin growth habit of this species to provide me with a clump style on new treelets. __________________ Emerging from winter slumber Bonsai trees burst buds anew Spring is upon us! -Paul S. Last edited by Ralph : 12-Apr-2004 at 04:45 PM.

12-Apr-2004	#5
FredL Banned 08JUN2005 Join Date: Dec-2001 Location: Benton County Country: USA USDA Zone: 6 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 1,099	This reminds of something we used to call Indian Pipe when I was a kid. Some sort of pant which lacked chlorophyl but wasn't a fungus. I'm very vague about it at this point. Fred

12-Apr-2004	#6
TreeBay Tips:5¢ Advice:Free *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: Aug-2001 Location: Silicon Valley Country: USA USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 4 Posts: 9,743	Welcome back, Hitza I have no idea what the item in question is since there is everything but the kitchen sink in this photos. Twine, pine needles, leaves in various states of decomposition, what appears to be a stone, lava, chunks of lichen, twigs, etc. Maybe clean it up and reshoot it or draw a circle around what you're talking about? Anyway, I don't think you mean the shoots, but if you do, that's no mycorrhizae. There is a shot of some mychorrizae here: http://lawr.ucdavis.edu/classes/ssc...mycorrhizal.jpg It's the white matrix enveloping the roots and extending into the soil. Regards, Matt __________________ Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today! bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!

13-Apr-2004	#7
Hitza Kimmo Kivelä Join Date: Nov-2002 Location: Espoo Country: Finland USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 65	Hi! No it is not a lava stone or anything else. I would guess that it is a granite because about 95% of all finnish stones are granite. And it's there because I just digged this one up from our summer cottages neighboring area, and the root system is full of stones and because of that, the tree weights about a ton .

13-Apr-2004	#8
Hitza Kimmo Kivelä Join Date: Nov-2002 Location: Espoo Country: Finland USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 65	Hi! I needed to go eating so I didn't have time at check out those, but after eating I discovered that those were suckers and there was a lot of them . I think that it's putting out suckers because it was a root growth of and older tree which was mostly dead, and I broke two large roots which connected this one into the bigger and smaller alder. So what should I do with this one, so that there would't be any suckers.

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