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Old 9-Feb-2005   #1
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what kind of tree?

Can anyone tell me what spiecies this tree is?
I know its a needle like tree, could be Picea or Pseudo Tsuga
Its trunk is 3 cm at the base and its 44 cm high.

How should I style it and why?

Please give me some answers,

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Old 9-Feb-2005   #2
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Looks like a submerged spruce of some kind.

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Old 9-Feb-2005   #3
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The picture is a bit unclear but it could be Douglas Fir or Norway Spruce. Both trees share similar color and bark.. The big difference is in the stifness of the needles. If the needles are stiff and sharp it is probably Norway Spruce, if the needles are soft and pliable it is Doug Fir. Either way both trees make good bonsai.

This tree does not look as though it is in the best of health. I would be careful about any work I did with the tree until it gains some strength and vigor.
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Then it's probably a Doug Fir, which is called in the Netherlands a "Douglas spar", scientific name is Pseudotsuga. The tree is in good health, but because I pruned it last october a bit to far, the low trees are death or almost death. I will probably jin those.

Should I style it as Literati, or in an other way?

Please Help, Thanks, Wessel
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Then it's probably a Doug Fir, which is called in the Netherlands a "Douglas spar", scientific name is Pseudotsuga. The tree is in good health, but because I pruned it last october a bit to far, the low trees are death or almost death. I will probably jin those.

Should I style it as Literati, or in an other way?

Please Help, Thanks, Wessel


Wessel,

When you ask for advice, and then someone of the caliber of Vance Wood comes along and provides it, why do you argue instead of listening? If Vance tells you that your tree is in poor health, why do you make excuses and plan to ignore his advice? This is just like that whole fiasco with your teacher's styling of the ficus, all over again.

Your tree is obviously in poor health. If it wasn't in poor health, those lower branches wouldn't be dying.

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Your tree is obviously in poor health. If it wasn't in poor health, those lower branches wouldn't be dying.
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It would also have better color and more needles.

Just out of my morbid curiosity, why did you hide the pot, soil, and nebari?

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Old 9-Feb-2005   #7
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Just get the tree back to health. Doug Firs do not respond well to being pruned and pinched unless they are growing vigorously. Thinking of styling this tree at this point is the same as contemplating it demise. You will have the next couple of years to see how it grows and the options new growth opens up for the tree. Personally I like Litteratti style, I grow a lot of Scots Pines in that style and it would probably be a good solution to this tree, but not now and not next year. Maybe in two years.

Sadly bonsai is a discipline that requires planing two to five years ahead and the patience to wait to carry out that plan.
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Your tree is obviously in poor health. If it wasn't in poor health, those lower branches wouldn't be dying. -Carl

Sorry Carl,

But where did you get all your knowledge? You can't see just by looking at a picture if a tree is healty or not. Sorry but this is a healty tree, look at the top, there's lots of new growth. The reason the lower branches don't have folliage anymore is because in my ignorance of the last few years, I pruned most of it away, in the wrong period.

I don't wont to be a wise guy, because I am not, but sometimes its difficult to put my Dutch thinking in good English words and sentences. In that perpective we can see differences who arent even there.

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So THATS what a healthy vigorously growing tree looks like... And here I was wrong all along.. Thanks Wessel for setting me straight.

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Anyone that's worked with bonsai for more than a few years can easily see that this tree is weak.

Top growth is usually the last place on many trees that dies off. The dying bottom branches are a keen indicator that the tree is weak and you need to slow down.

Or, go ahead and work it. It's your tree. I would, however, make a bet on it's certain death within three years if you do.
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