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3-Jul-2005
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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I,ve just joined your site & I don,t know what my zone is here in UK. I would be v happy if anybody could help. Very good site!!!
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3-Jul-2005
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The U.K. isn't covered by the USDA zone system since it was developed by the United States Department of Agriculture to describe specific climate zones in the U.S.
You can try to covert the zones to the U.K., but they won't be as accurate, as they are in the U.S., since you have a unique climate and one that defies categorization intended for continental, not island, climate zones. The zones in this map http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/European.htm of the U.K. have many areas that show USDA zones 8 and 9. In the U.S. those zones are in the Southern Tier, the deep south into Fla. They are sub-tropical zones. The USDA zones use only minimum winter temperatures as a guide, but they also convey more to gardeners, including bonsaiists. They imply extremely high summer temperatures too. Winters may also be a bit harsher there than they are in the U.S. |
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3-Jul-2005
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Welcome caro,
If you hit the link for USDA Zone under anyone's name it will take you to a page with a link with zone maps for US and Western Europe. Regards, Matt P.S. Trying to infer anything about summer temps from USDA zones would be misguided. That's one reason why the AHS Heat Zone was added.
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3-Jul-2005
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That was the only statement in the post that is worth repeating. Don't confuse the issue. It is what it is. It has its limitations and anyone who some how implies that there is more to it is missing the point. A minimun mean average low temperature is all you get. |
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3-Jul-2005
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
 
Join Date: Apr-2004
Location: Nr Halifax
Country: England
USDA Zone: 8
AHS Heat Zone: 2-3?
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8 is roughyl correct.
REgards Rowan
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4-Jul-2005
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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Thanks to all for your replies.
I,ll just give you a weather report occasionaly. Yesterday 26c & humid. Today 18c & chucking down with rain which is filling up the buckets to water my bonsai. Still it,s better than what happened last week with the hail!!!!
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4-Jul-2005
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"That was the only statement in the post that is worth repeating.
Don't confuse the issue. It is what it is. It has its limitations and anyone who some how implies that there is more to it is missing the point. A minimun mean average low temperature is all you get." Um, it is all you're supposed to get, but I think there is more misguided or not. If you tell someone you're in USDA Zone 9, you're going to get assumptions based on more than minimum winter temperatures. Simple human nature. You cannot accurately transfer US climate zones to Europe, much less UK climates. They are all separate and distinct climates where one set of climate zones won't fit. It is best to consult LOCAL climate information. |
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5-Jul-2005
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What can I say, you must be one of the ones that didn't get it.  You see, the maps to my knowledge, convey exactly what they claim to. You could also say that a given USDA Zone are all seperate and distinct climates; correct? A zone 8 climate on the west coast is different than a zone 8 climate on the East coast. I think what you are trying to say is that the erroneous assumptions made by some US folks don't transfer well to the erronoeus assumptions that are/could/maybe being made by those in the UK and Europe. Isn't that an assumption on your part? |
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5-Jul-2005
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yeah, whatever. I'm saying transferring a system developed for use in the continental U.S. to continental Europe or the British Isles (whose "Zone 9" climate is hardly south Fla.) is a little futile.
for what it's worth, yes, the USDA maps are pretty general even for the U.S. Sunset magazine has a much more Byzantine system that tries to account for alot more climactic range. The USDA stuff is rule of thumb for the U.S. It's not even "ballpark" for the rest of the planet. |
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5-Jul-2005
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There you go again. Show me where this information doesn't transfer, then you can say that the "system" doesn't work. Until then, all your telling me and everyone else, is that the "system" isn't transferring information for which it was never intended, nor claims to. It's a tool like any other tool. Try to use it for something other than which it was intended and then saying it doesn't work is silly. How about this analogy? I have fertilizer rated (0-10-10). Should I be surprised, and complain that it doesn't have any nitrogen, when it doesn't claim to have any? Does this mean it doesn't work? Of coarse not. Even were to to use the Sunset's versions of climates it still isn't going to tell you everything you need to know is it? I could have the same plants right next to each other, one getting only a northern exposure and one getting a southern exposure. Surely this is very a signifigant factor that remains unaccounted for? End of rant. I know it sounds like I'm nitpicking I just wish you would use the correct language. Don't say the sysyem doesn't work is at best misleading and at worst a lie. Saying that it has limitation is accurate. Besides I think it's a bit derogatory and presumptious to assume that the Europeons aren't perfectly capable of making the same, if not better, inaccurate assumption if you would just give them half a chance.  |
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