Are Trident Maple Brooms Taboo?

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woops! here it is.

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bonsaial1

I agree with those assesments 100%. I think what Walter tries to do is wonderful. I just think that the picture of that particular tree is far from what Walter does.

That tree on my monitor is about 5" across with a trunk not quite 1/2inch. That would make a perfect size shohin tree.

Now if most posted that tree here in a container and asked for help, many would say to put it into the ground to grow for a few years.

Fat trunks are desirable! I don't know to what ratio those that like fat trunks are compared to those that like skinny trunks. But, I'll bet the fat trunkers outweigh the skinny trunkers any day. Who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter. It's Fred's mental model that makes us want to over styalize our trees.I'm all for a more naturalistic approach. Just remember though, it still takes very good raw material to make a well executed natural tree as a Japanese incarnation.

I removed the trunk from the Walter pic and put it into my pot. I put about the same size canopy on the tree as the original piture had. Now, while this may an acceptable bonsai to some, it is still not a very good artistic representation of a tree. Bonsai is about artistic representation. This tree is not very powerful as a bonsai. In the mountains at 8000" elevation and about 50 feet tall, I'm sure it is impressive. At 6" tall and a 1/2 inch trunk, there is no visual power at all. Just image, but a weak image.

Of course if it blows your skirt up, great! We all march to different percussion instrument!

Bonsai-al

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Walter_Pall

Here is a virtual.
Now is this artistic?

In the concept of art theory this is quite artistic, because it is original, a novelty, not a copy, no citations, genuine.

Do you have to like it? No!
Is it beatuiful? I think so, but it does not matter for being artistic.

The standard tridents are at best good craft. Most people like them. Fine.

best regards
Walter Pall

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bonsaibeginner

Al, great picture! Is that what you want your trunks to look like some day?

Seriously, though, I didn't say that Walter was doing art like that, but read this thread after you finish oggling at his trident. That is what I was referring to. http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...ght=fall+colors

I like the work that he does now, and I'd really like to see him pull off something like what he would like to do!

Very Best to You and Bobby L. tomorrow. Tell the wife I'll be rooting our man along, too, even though I hate restrictor plate races. Give me Richmond or Bristol any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Paul

bonsaibeginner

Walter, how much do you want for it? Does it come with the photographed accent pieces?

Best Wishes,
Paul

bonsaibeginner

By the way, any anwers to my bark question?
Paul

bonsaial1

I would have to see the tree in person to make an educated guess about anything to do with plants. Especially maples, since there are about 780 known cultivars and more every year. Could be amur maple too. Some have confused them when the amur maple leaves are small. They look like trident leaves. Tridents don't usually get fissured bark on small trees like that.

Al

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bonsaial1

The tree posted in your flatter tray looks quite good, with the leaves small in the original picture. If you did this with the leaves full size you would see that skinny trunk looking pretty weird. The only way this tree would work as bonsai is if it were a tree about 4 feet tall. Then the leaves would be somewhat proportional. But... the trunk would still be only 2" thick. Pretty silly on a 4' tall tree with a 5 foot canopy. You do the math...

Al

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bonsaial1

Thanks Walter, I can always count on you to make my point for me.

Regards, Al

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