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Old 1-Feb-2005   #41
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I have deleted the word 'stinking' from my previous post. Upon review I have decided that the term was inappropriate, too strong, easily missconstrued, devisive, detracting and a diversion. I did not intend to imply that artists in general stink. I did mean to imply that were I an artist, I would stink. I apologise to any viewers who were put off by the term, and I beg your forebearance.

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Old 1-Feb-2005   #42
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I don't think the word "stinking" was inappropriate in the context it was offered and if anyone was offended it was because they chose to be. This was simply your judgement of what your perception of your own artistic sensibilities might be. However, if you have an interest in bonsai you at least have an eye for what this art form is all about and as such, if you so desire, you can be taught, if even by the numbers, how a bonsai is supposed to be put together in an artistic manner, or you can choose to grow sticks in pots.

Everyone here has their own ideas about how bonsai should be grown but the overwhelming majority of us would probably come down on the side of what could be called "The Traditional Way". You are free to grow them any way you want for what ever purpose suits your tasts. Some of us will try to convert you to our way of thinking, having invested years in developing bonsai as objects of art and not just simply trees in pots.

This probably means that you may or may not be happy with some of the responses you might receive in the future when, and if, you start posting pictures of your endeavours. We will continue to attempt to help you on cultivational problems but our approval of your sticks in pots may be a bit cool.
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Old 2-Feb-2005   #43
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Great Vance, just great.

I read your words out loud and over a thousand Bumble Bees crashed to their deaths outside my window.

What are you going to tell me next, that I can't successfully grow tridants in the ground here in Michigan?

NO, DON'T SAY IT, I REALLY LIKE MY TRIDANTS!


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According to the University of Florida:
Scientific name: Acer buergeranum
Pronunciation: AY-ser ber-jair-AY-num
Common name(s): Trident Maple
Family: Aceraceae
USDA hardiness zones: 4B through 9B

I'd say they should be just fine in Zone 6 in the ground.

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Old 2-Feb-2005   #44
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Vance--I don't even know what artistic sensibilities are. I have hope for my future in Bonsai because I have excellent spatial apttitude and a highly developed visual literacy. Combine that with knowledge of plant physiology and skill in specialized horticultural techniques, add generic human imagination for a catalyst, and what more would I need?
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Vance--I don't even know what artistic sensibilities are. I have hope for my future in Bonsai because I have excellent spatial apttitude and a highly developed visual literacy. Combine that with knowledge of plant physiology and skill in specialized horticultural techniques, add generic human imagination for a catalyst, and what more would I need?
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The ability to recognize balance and form as it appeals to the specialized evolutionary adaptations of the human eye and the singles it sends to the pleasure centers of the brain. Then obtaining the skills to adapt this information in a manner so as to manipulate a four dimensional sculpture in such a way that it's sum is greater than it's whole, thereby creating a pleasing image that moves the soul as opposed to one that is not and does not.


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...I don't even know what artistic sensibilities are. ...


Kansai -
I believe that Vance is referring to

(1)"Elements of Art;" line, color, texture, shape, form, space, value

and

(2)"Principles of Design;" rhythm and movement, balance, proportion, variety and emphasis, harmony and unity

If these are unfamiliar to you, you can take a mini art lesson: Art-iculation

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Candy, Candy, what have you done? You have only posted the single most useful piece of information (your link) I have seen on the whole subject of art since I began reading bonsaiTALK. Thanks!

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Actually Tridents will do quite well if over wintered in the ground with some shelter. It's when you try to over winter them in pots that you have problems. I am not quite sure what or why it happens but when they are over wintered in pots the roots turn to mush. If they live you will be lucky if the bud out by the middle of June.


I have found the cause to be with the way the USDA describes hardiness. The hardiness zones apply to the part of the plant above the ground and not the roots. The roots of a trident are alot less hardy than the upper parts and need to be seriously protected during the winter here.

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The ability to recognize balance and form as it appeals to the specialized evolutionary adaptations of the human eye and the singles it sends to the pleasure centers of the brain.


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The roots of a trident are alot less hardy than the upper parts
So, ...we should encourage them to communicate with each other more often.

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