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29-Dec-2003
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Ron, I do not know Gary but I think he (as do I) would like to see you live as long a life as you can.
I have seen many die do to cigarettes. Yes, us none smokers (especiallly us former smokers) are a pain in the ass to the smokers of the world.... but in most cases it is because we care about your health... and our own..... my 2 cents Jay
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29-Dec-2003
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But have I ever said I was a smoker or not. How does that relate to the demonstration ;o) |
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29-Dec-2003
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Well, you didn't have to... Sorry, Ron, I didn't mean to stir the pot when the cigarette demo topic came up - I don't have any problem with the demonstration. It was simply a reminder for any of the few dozen minors registered here. Regards, Matt
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29-Dec-2003
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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Wow,
From rafia and other methods of binding branches for bending... Right into an anti-smoking lecture! Kids: DON'T SMOKE Adults: DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY Now, I will be bending the trunk on a Cypress this coming spring (is spring the best time) and was wondering, at the base the trunk is about 3/4" this will be to add some movement to the trunk that is now ram-rod straight and lead me to a literati. How many layers of rafia should I have? And should I use something in addition to just the rafia? Thanks Adam |
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29-Dec-2003
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Ron.... sorry... I may have placed my neck squarely were it did not belong... yes, you never mentioned smoking in the thread.... " But have I ever said I was a smoker or not. How does that relate to the demonstration"
It does not relate... you are correct.... you are or aren't a smoker... your demo was worthwhile regardless.... I will have to remember to have tunnel vision when it comes to your posts... I will try and not go anywhere other than where you want to go....I will not have a mind that things, just one that listens..... YEA RIGHT...... Sorry for caring....... Your ability to do anything is not based on cigarettes..... Your ability to do anything MAY be based on what they may do to you...... I will never bring up a question to you again if I upset you with them...... Jay
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29-Dec-2003
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1. Tie raffia in bundles of 4-6 strands tied at one end. 2. Soak the raffia in hot water first. Makes it more flexible and stretchy. 3. Apply a thick Layer of raffia so you don't see any trunk, tying in a new bundle as the older one is consumed. 4. Tie three parallel pieces of copper wire firmly to the outside of the bend, overwrap with more raffia. 5. Wrap the bundle with additional copper wire in the normal, spiraling fashion. 6. Bend with your fingers supporting the outside of the bend If you don't have any copper wire. You will need several pieces of the thickest aluminum you can get, and you will probably need to use a branch splitter to split the trunk perpendicular to the bend to make it more flexible. These links may help some: http://pabonsai.org/Raffia.html http://pabonsai.org/Bend1.html Good luck, Matt
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29-Dec-2003
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I guess somewhere in the mess of electrons we call the internet the humor of my post got lost. I think that I put some ;o) in my posts to help out a bit but maybe they got lost in the shuffle. Being a bit naive and maybe not the smartest person in the universe I tried to explain the function of raffia. Maybe I did not pick the best example and for that I am sorry. Not mad, not upset just sorry. Tunnel vision is not required to respond or understand my posts. I am the first to plead guilty to not always having the best or even the right answer. Not all my explanations are good. Some are silly. Maybe my presentation is bad. This keyboard seems to constantly get me into , shall we say , not the best of situations. In front of a group of people I think I do come through better. At least people seem to understand me better that way. They seem to get the point that I am trying to make a little bit easer there. Best excuse I can offer is that someone asked a question on raffia. I tried to explain how it worked. Used the wrong prop and let my butt hang out. For that I am sorry. But I do have the following observations: Do I think that smoking is good. No I am not a moron. Did anyone ask me if I smoked. No Did anyone ask me if I quit since the picture posted was taken. No. Did anyone now grasp why raffia works when used properly. Not sure. Hope so. Do I now smoke. NO ONE ASKED THAT QUESTION. Would I answer that question. No Would I again post the answer to a question with the same zeal. Not sure. Did my post answer the question . Not sure. Could have gotten lost in the shuffle. Would I try again. Yes I am after all a glutton for punishment ;O) Please note the smiley face in the sentence above. |
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30-Dec-2003
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I had just gotten up and I was nit-picking. I wasn't questioning the validity of your demo. 8—> The demo sure shows the way raffia works and I can't think of another material that would work as well as a ciggy. I just have that goofy sense of humor that.... well...........sorry I brought it up. Even my wife likes me to leave her alone in the morning! ;—)
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30-Dec-2003
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Matt, I have up to 6.0mm aluminum wire. I know copper holds better but larger size copper wire is expen$ive. Do you think it would be ok to use copper for the parallel pieces (my local hardware store sells about any size copper wire you could want) then use the aluminum to wrap the trunk in the usual manner? Or should I just suck it up and dish out the $ for copper wire for the entire project? Thanks for the help and the links Adam |
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30-Dec-2003
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On the topic of wiring a 3/4 inch trunk. The directions given in the response are very good and will work well to get your trunk bent over.
However, on the type of wire to use, I have found that the aluminum wire is just as effective as the copper. So why spend the "big $". Also larger aluminum wire is far easier to bend then copper. I had a friend who actually hurt his hand using copper wire. Of course he was wiring for 2 hours with the bigger stuff. If the wire (which ever type) is not holding the bend add a second or third looping to the trunk to get the stength needed to hold. Or, use a piece of wire from the bend side back past the roots to a tie-down point. The tie-down can either be a root, or a wire looped aroung the edge of the pot, or a hole cut in the nursery pot lip. These will give you more holding power. The tie-down sould be a loop of smaller guage wire so that you can insert a piece of twig and twist the wire to slowly pull the branch or tunk into the final position. Do the twisting over time. say several twists every three days of so. This will allow the trunk a slower movement and rest time between movements, increasing your chances for success. On the thickness of raffia. I would probably use 4 to 6 wraps before adding the lateral wire and 3 wraps over the lateral wire to keep it in place. But then I am a bit liberal on the use of raffia. Just some humble thoughts.  Richard |
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