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16-Jul-2007
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Christian
Join Date: Oct-2006
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Country: USA
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question about a jin
In all the books I have I don'trecall them saying what type of tree a jin works on. It seem like I have only seen pines, junipers,and some other with jins. Can you do a jin on a braod leaved tree?
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16-Jul-2007
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Yes, you can. You can create jin on anything with branches, but in deciduous trees it hardly ever looks good.
On the aesthetic side of of the argument, in juniper and pine, jin lend an air of venerable age to the tree and suggest a hard life in a harsh environment (all of which lends character). On deciduous trees they just tends to make the tree look diseased. Moreover, it looks really strange in the winter. On the horticultural side, the resinous sap of conifers protects the bare wood to a degree. The wood of deciduous trees (e.g. maple) rots very quickly so jin wouldn't last very long without some kind of artifical penetrating sealant/wood hardener, and you also run the risk of rot travelling down into healthy wood. So yes, you can create jin in deciduous trees, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should  |
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16-Jul-2007
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hey christian what tree are you exactly meanig and is there a picture handy or ya just askn in general? a hollow in a stub where an animal can make their home works on broad leaf evergreen and deciduous trees.
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16-Jul-2007
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Yes, its called 'uro'. Have a look: http://www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATUro.htm
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There may be some cases where it works. I wouldn't create it just for the sake of creating it, but if a deciduous tree has a natural break that has left some exposed dead wood, it may be possible to use that as a feature. I have an elm that sports a broken trunk and a branch growing from one side that curves upward to become a new trunk. Rather than eliminate all the dead wood at the break, I simply reduced it some and worked it to give it a jagged top, then treated it with lime sulfer. One member of my club suggested removing it entirely, but another felt it was a good feature, made even more so by the fact that jin on a deciduous tree is unusual. I agreed with the latter assessment because, well, I happen to like the way it turned out. 
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21-Jul-2007
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I am trying to do a jin on a live oak.This was a nursery tree,that was chopped off squarely after breaking in two.The trunk jinned nicely.The only question for me,is should I have the jin above or below the apex of the tree. The tree is in the early stages of being shaped,so there are many options here.If anybody has pictures of jins on broadleaved trees,I would like to see them.
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21-Jul-2007
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
Join Date: Apr-2006
Location: Lakeland - Florida
Country: United States
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I don't have pictures of jin on bonsai oaks but I am surrounded by huge old landscape oaks that all possess jin, shari and developing uro thanks to 3 hurricanes a few years ago. I have been watching them for a few years and slowly but surely the long dead branches and getting shorter due to rot and other effects of mother nature.
It was a shame but some of the more spectacular examples of hurricane killed branches were removed (I'm sure due to safety concerns) in the past year. If I remember I will take some shots and post them. I'll make a note to remind myself to shoot some of the better ones. Here's a thought, not sure if you can do this or have access. Take a walk in a broadleaf forest setting where the trees are untouched by man. Once you start looking for them you will see dead branches in all sorts of configurations and I am sure something will inspire you. When in doubt let nature be a guide.
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