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6-Nov-2006
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mistermoyogi
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Q. palustris vs. Q. coccinea
Many of you have viewed my recently posted oak, and I much appreciate your reponses. This weekend I heard from a Professor of Forestry friend of mine, who asked me if the tree was a pin oak (Q. palustris) or Scarlet oak (Q. coccinea)...after some reading, it would seem that the two are quite similar....has anyone ever cultivated coccinea? Thanks for your time.
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6-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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Hi there,
I got the same question.. There's this oak tree at the university campus but I can't tell either it is a Pin oak or a Scarlet oak.. both have similar leaf lobes and fall color.. If anyone could help us figure that out we'd appreciate it! Thanks  |
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6-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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I got pics of the leaves if there's need showing them later on
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6-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
 
Join Date: Aug-2004
Location: Aberystwyth Uni
Country: Wales
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Just what a bit of googling dug up:
Quercus palustris Quercus coccinea It seems that te differences are between the buds and acorns of the two trees. I think the acorns would be the easiest aspect to distingish between the two, but that's only on older trees. Try looking at the twigs and buds. Al
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6-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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I think these two are very closely related. I think this might be a Scarlett oak-quercus coccinea, as Pin Oak -- Quercus palustris--doesn't range into Northern West Va.
Do a search on the native ranges of both species. A large section of northern W.Va. doesn't support pin oak. Scarlett oak does grow in those counties though, covering all of W.Va. Pin Oak range: http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/s...s/palustris.htm |
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6-Nov-2006
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mistermoyogi
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Al: You are right about acorn differentiation....since I initially posted I have read that the tips of the buds on coccinea are covered with white hairs...that trait may prove to be useful as well. Thanks for posting your links.
Tom |
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6-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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Those buds pictures were of a lot of help! I think I might have a Pin Oak, since the buds don't have those tiny white hairs on the tip of the buds.
What I still question is about the base leaf shape.. mine doesn't start "flat" like those of pin or scarlet oak.. still I believe I got a Pin oak. I got this pic from last fall. Sorry for it quality..it's been took with mobile camera.  |
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7-Nov-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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One thing i just remembered about oaks; they hybridise easily. Very easily. It is possible that what you have got is neither species but a cross between the two.
I'm glad the links helped a little. Al
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