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bonsaiTALK stick figure.
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Matt's got a good point, the customers can look at a perfect elm, then pick up a few prebonsai elm and say "these could become that".
Its like proof that the store knows what its doing. Look at the cars parked in front of custom car garages, you'll always find super customized rides. I don't own a finished bonsai yet, but if I had the chance to, I'ld buy one. It would give me and my trees something to look up to. NEBonsai was about 60% finished, and I've promised myself I'ld get a nice tree whenever I get a good chunk cut out of my bills. Which is soon ![]() jim
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Jun-2004
Country: Ireland
Posts: 493
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bought bonsai
most if not all off us have bought a bonsai at sometime.suppose it depends on how much time u have.those who have little time will buy a finished tree because they might not have the time for the long term commitment to find,train,style,wire,dewire,feed etc.from my collection of about 40 trees there are 4 "finished"trees.why did i buy them and not take the long path of the above?inspiration
.how many off us have looked at a mag or book and thought "id like that".if it became available and with in your financial scope how many off us wouldnt buy it![]() Last edited by tuckerg : 3-Jul-2004 at 05:38 PM. |
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Recovering Workaholic
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If the budget allows for it I feel it is a good thing for a person to get a tree that is more advanced in training. An example is this juniper which I bought for $100. It was in a 1 gallon pot and was very potbound. This picture was taken last year at the Yama Ki Bonsai Society Exhibition at the New York Botanical Gardens last October. It is about 13" high. I'll post a current pic when I can.
This tree was basically shaped when I got it. The trunk line was set along with the major branches. The crown was very congested and I had to remove several thick branches to open it up some. You can see the development in just one year when you see the next picture. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37
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Recovering Workaholic
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Here's the same tree. I couldn't find a good background so it's the best I can do for now. The pads are fuller from regular pinching, and the pads are generally more developed.
Craig Cowing
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Tree herder
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Thanks for the replies. All interesting answers.
Now let me rephrase the question slightly... Given that a very high proportion of sold stock is 'finished', why do we not see such a correspondingly high proportion of bought 'finished' trees posted here on bonsaiTALK? So, Do people think its wrong because they haven't done all the work (as Jonny said)? Or is your general bT member just a DIYer? Or are there other reasons (I can think of several)? Any thoughts? Regards, Chris.
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Actually, I think that this forum does show many finished trees - just not in "show and tell" section. The "Gallery" is more of the show and tell and the "Show and Tell" seems more of a "show and ask" when pertaining to trees. Maybe the question should be: "Given that a very high proportion of sold stock is 'finished', why do we not see such a correspondingly high proportion of bought 'finished' trees posted here on bonsaiTALK "Show and Tell"? or "Why don't we "talk" more about the finished bonsai in the "Show and Tell?" I think that the answer lies in the way that this forum is structured. |
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Bitten By The Bonsai Bug!
Join Date: Nov-2002
Location: San Jose, California
Country: USA
USDA Zone: 9
AHS Heat Zone: 4/5
Posts: 534
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How about inability to photograph?
Lack of display skills? Embarrassment of refinement skills?
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bonsaiTALK Master
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hI Chris + everyone,
Personally, I think that people do have a problem wityh acknowledging that they have bought a finished bonsai, there is too much stigma around the fact that they haven't grown/developed it from stock themselves, (and no doubt I will get critised for the following comments but...) this is do do with a few reasons: Clubs - a lot of hobbyists at clubs critisce those who haven't grown things themselves they see it as a "wrong to have bought bonsai and not completd the image yourself, this may also be to do with an age issue some "older folk" may lack the understanding that buying bonsai is acceptable practice - they most likely started when buying bonsai wasn't readilly possible. The general public assume that every bonsai owned by an individual has been grow from seed and that it is extremley old, unfortunatley this "phycy (sp?)" influences our behavour to think that it is inacceptable to buy finished bonsai or acknowledge that we own finished bonai created by another artist (overall we are preconditioned). I some times don't tell someone that it isn't my own work, you just can't help it. As I said in my first posting, a beautiful bonsai is just that a beautiful bonsai, thats what its about not the artist that created it. Jonny. Last edited by Jonny D : 4-Jul-2004 at 03:13 PM. |
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Not a critism mind you but a statement. That stigma only exists on the internet. Not in real life. If it were true then there would be a whole lot of ouur master atrist out there on the Welfare rolls. Some how they do manage to sell enough to get buy. Maybe it is like the Porno Business. No one buys the stuff but they do several billion dollars a year in sales. ![]() |
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Bonsai nare-do-well
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Silly me again !
Lots of words here even for me. Hope no one falls asleep before they are done reading this. There is always a lot of talk about a "finished bonsai" but not a lot of information on just what constitutes one. Maybe that is one of those items for which there is no real definition for. Could be that it is like trying to define the word TIME and not using the word time in that definition. Not an easy thing to do. I looked up the word time in the good old Merriam-Webster dictionary. Even they had a bit of a hard time with the definition of the word time As far as I can tell it is just about the longest definition in that dictionary."Main Entry: 1time Pronunciation: 'tIm Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English tIma; akin to Old Norse tImi time, Old English tId -- more at TIDE 1 a : the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues : DURATION b : a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future c : LEISURE <time for reading> 2 : the point or period when something occurs : OCCASION 3 a : an appointed, fixed, or customary moment or hour for something to happen, begin, or end <arrived ahead of time> b : an opportune or suitable moment <decided it was time to retire> -- often used in the phrase about time <about time for a change> 4 a : an historical period : AGE b : a division of geologic chronology c : conditions at present or at some specified period -- usually used in plural <times are hard> <move with the times> d : the present time <issues of the time> 5 a : LIFETIME b : a period of apprenticeship c : a term of military service d : a prison sentence 6 : SEASON <very hot for this time of year> 7 a : rate of speed : TEMPO b : the grouping of the beats of music : RHYTHM 8 a : a moment, hour, day, or year as indicated by a clock or calendar <what time is it> b : any of various systems (as sidereal or solar) of reckoning time 9 a : one of a series of recurring instances or repeated actions <you've been told many times> b plural (1) : added or accumulated quantities or instances <five times greater> (2) : equal fractional parts of which an indicated number equal a comparatively greater quantity <seven times smaller> <three times closer> c : TURN <three times at bat> 10 : finite as contrasted with infinite duration 11 : a person's experience during a specified period or on a particular occasion <a good time> <a hard time> 12 a : the hours or days required to be occupied by one's work <make up time> <on company time> b : an hourly pay rate <straight time> c : wages paid at discharge or resignation <pick up your time and get out> 13 a : the playing time of a game b : TIME-OUT 14 : a period during which something is used or available for use <computer time> - at the same time : NEVERTHELESS, YET <slick and at the same time strangely unprofessional -- Gerald Weaks> - at times : at intervals : OCCASIONALLY - for the time being : for the present - from time to time : once in a while : OCCASIONALLY - in no time : very quickly or soon - in time 1 : sufficiently early 2 : EVENTUALLY 3 : in correct tempo <learn to play in time> - on time 1 a : at the appointed time b : on schedule 2 : on the installment plan - time and again : FREQUENTLY, REPEATEDLY " All total that is 525 words. Could it be that the dreaded "finished bonsai" is as hard a thing to define. Being brave I thought I would try. May not be the smart thing for me to do but then no one has ever accused me of being smart. First let me say that " A finished tree is a dead tree" is a statement that is kind of full of POO-POO. It just doesn't make any sense. To me at least. I would bet that most would agree that John Naka's Goshin forest is a finished item. Last time I checked it wasn't dead. Just finished to the best abilities of the artist. Could it be that a finished bonsai is one that shows the emotion that the artists wanted to evoke. A bonsai that has had its style set, branches,trunk and nabari defined . Especially once these items are more or less set in stone. There does come a time when these things can no longer be reasonably changed. Not without restyling the tree anyway. Restyling naturally means it is no longer a finished item. So based on all this I would say that a finished bonsai is one that has been styled to the best ability of the artist. One that has been set in its style and further changes to it would be a bit hard or almost impossible to do without a complete restyle. Whether or not it is a good finished bonsai is up to the viewing artist. Gosh that is more words than I have ever written on a subject here. But now I can say that I am positively Finished ![]() Any other ideas out there ? |
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