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21-Apr-2004	#21
Deacon Jim bonsaiTALK Expert Join Date: Sep-2003 Location: Columbus Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 165	Ron, To answer your question: Cable TV, cafe latte, gas hungry SUV's, eating out, ..........I made the choice years ago about those discretionary funds. Bonsai seemed very reasonable once I eliminated the above. Ron, of course you have no choice but to raise prices to cover your costs. Life for us consumers is choice. Deacon

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21-Apr-2004	#22
Bonsainut Carrier of Bonsai Fever Join Date: Oct-2001 Location: So-Cal, US of A Country: America The Beautiful USDA Zone: Zone 9-10 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 1,833	Well its $2.35 a gallon here and no one has stopped driving believe me. Still as many traffic Jams as ever. They can charge what ever they want and we still will drive our SUVs. My sister's electric car is starting to look better to me though! __________________ Keep growing,---'Nut Lethal Use of Farce

21-Apr-2004

#23

Daan Muller

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Originally posted by Ron Martin

Imperial gallon or US gallon ;o)

US Gallon (3.785 liters)

21-Apr-2004

#24

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Originally posted by Daan Muller
Well those prices dont sound too bad to me. Over here we pay 1.24 euro for a liter. That translates to $5.58 for a gallon...

But there in the Netherlands a liter will get you halfway across the country

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Matt

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21-Apr-2004	#25
Dale Cochoy Old Bonsaiman-new pots Join Date: Dec-2002 Location: Hartville, Ohio Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 2,691	Ron said: I was planning on maybe starting back to vending at the bonsai conventions. But, again, the gas prices will kill that. By the time I pay for the tables and hotel and gas I'll be broke. I will probably hit one convention this year ( the Saint Lewis shin dig ) but that will be about it. As a visitor and not a vendor. Much cheaper. Was just wondering how these times will affect others. After all even if you don't go to the conventions the prices for your bonsai stuff will be higher. Everything after all travels at least part of the journey to you by truck. And that part will cost more. How will you cope with this. Inquiring minds want to know ;o) Ron, I think gas prices will definitely effect convention registrations, and therefore vending, throughout 2004 and maybe longer, we'll see. Those 200 to 2,000 mile round trip car trips are going to scrutinized pretty good by possible attendees. As far as higher prices at conventions, I STILL think your average item will be cheaper to buy at a convention than via mail or ebay, etc. Plus, you can pick up the item and actually look at it and chose the best of the lot. I'm amazed at what I see people pay on eBay or art fairs , etc. over what deals I see at conventions. Dale __________________ ________________________________ If you want to be Different.... You have to DO something Different! __________________________________________ Some people NEVER take the time to do a job right the first time.... but, they always seem to make the time to do it over again... ____________________________________________ Dale Cochoy Wild Things Bonsai Studio Yakimono no Kokoro Bonsai Pottery Hartville, Ohio

21-Apr-2004	#26
DavidN bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2002 Location: Melbourne Country: Australia USDA Zone: 9-10 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 3,348	In Oz we average in the low AUD90cents per litre. So about AUD$3.40 US gallon, converted to US dollars $4.65!!!! Not happy!!!!!!! __________________ Bonsai Northwest Inc, Melbourne, Australia Bonsai Flora Nursery in Yarraville, Melbourne

21-Apr-2004

#27

RonMartin(deceased)

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Originally posted by Dale Cochoy

I'm amazed at what I see people pay on eBay or art fairs , etc. over what deals I see at conventions.
Dale

Me to.

22-Apr-2004	#28
ChrisM bonsaiTALK Master Chief Join Date: Jan-2004 Location: norton, massachusetts Country: usa USDA Zone: 6 AHS Heat Zone: 4 Posts: 1,155	do you all remember your grandparents and those corny, "well when i was your age it cost a nickle" conversations? the way things are headed, we will all be having those conversations earlier in our lives. for instance, i am 29 years old, been driving for only twelve years and started when gas prices were $.80 a gallon US. in twelve years time, prices have more than doubled for me (currently paying approx. $1.80 a gallon on average). so in conclusion, we either need to have kids at a younger age so that when we reach our mid-thirties we can have those "grandparent" conversations, or we can grin and bear it. chris __________________ A bonsai is like a good marriage.You commit, for better or for worse, till death do you part. I DO!!!

22-Apr-2004	#29
Jay YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME Join Date: Sep-2001 Location: Jeffersonville Vt Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 2,154	OK, I'm 58 and remember Gas even cheaper than Chris. I used to have a can hanging from the convertable top...donations accepted or something like that...... used to get the boys to contribute quarters and dimes.... got a couple of bucks a week....at 25 cents a gallon that wasn't to bad! Jay __________________ A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49... Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing

22-Apr-2004	#30
Moni bonsaiTALK Expert Join Date: Feb-2002 Location: Clackamas Country: USA USDA Zone: 7 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 171	Sustainable thinking. I like that. I am moving soon from Oregon to Mass. and the cost of that trip is horrendous. Gas is over $2 here. We have done the conservation thing before, we can do it again. Nothing will ever keep me from my bonsai habit. Even if it means collecting seedlings as they sprout. It could become a whole new "thing". Seeing how many different kinds of plants can be successfully bonsaid. As for mad cow disease and milk..............my understanding, Matt, is that the dairymen sold their cows because milk was so cheap. It wasn't worth it for them to stay in the biz. The less milk there is to sell, the more expensive it is. I live in a town right next to one of the processing companies of that one mad cow. The amount of beef being sold has not decreased at all. The vanity of the waistline has won out over the fear of mad cow disease. Go figure (no pun intended). moni

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