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Old 21-Feb-2005   #1
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Pinus Pinea and drastic root pruning - question

I've noticed than Pinus Pinea or Italian Stone Pine is not among the most popular trees among bonsaists. But maybe somebody having experience with this tree can answer the question - how it responds to drastic root pruning? Or this tree should be pruned accurate and no more then 1/3 of a root ball as other pines?
In October I could not kept from temptation to buy 3 trees onlly for 6 dollar each. They are 50 cm high in 14 cm pots, seems to overwinter well and now are awakening.
Not decided yet what style to choose or group planting will be better. Maybe some recomendations or your vision?

P.S. Be sure, before posting I used search engine (not only forum's one) and I have seen few threads about pinea posted in the forum and the article by Ernie Kuo also.
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Until someone with experience with the stone pine can answer, I say "pine" and "drastic root prune" do NOT belong together. 1/3 is probably the maximum to consider. Pines, in general, do not like having their roots messed with. Since I can't give you specific advice, please accept my general advice for pines until someone can tell you better:

1/3 of the rootball as a maximum and wait until the right time. Here in North Carolina, USA, that is around early May.

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I have killed one so far by chopping the top and the roots at the same time at the wrong time of year . So I would say take it slow. Pines need respect.

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I have killed one so far by chopping the top and the roots at the same time at the wrong time of year . So I would say take it slow. Pines need respect.

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And when you have chopped? It seems now the right time (the pines are just awakening) or I'm mistaken?

Thanks for the answers. I have enough respect for pines, unfortunately not enough knowledge and experience
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I chopped mine down in early January then tried to keep it inside . Unfortunatly I do not have any good advise. Sorry.

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Jur,
Glad you found a good deal on some trees. I.S. pine are really different then many other pines. They have two very distinct types of needles.

The juvenile form is light blue green as you know. the mature form is dark green slightly thinner then black pine and about the same length.

The fun thing about the tree is you can keep the juvenile foiliage on indefinitly if you want. In this case the tree is handled more like a juniper --in that you can pinch with thumb and forefinger the new growth rather than the candle prune-select buds- pull needles routine of the black pine.

As you pinch back the tips new buds will increase density. Take a toothbrush to the areas where the needles have withered. Just a touch of the brush and the old juvenile needles will clean off.

As the year goes on you will notice mature needles forming. Simply pill them as they appear.

As for repotting I have found they can go a long time between repots they dont produce alot of roots in a growing season and dont mind some crowding of the roots. I can only speak of warm climates but they dont seen to miss a beat even with the deepest of root cutback at repotting time.



In warm climates they continue to grow year around. Great for warm dry climates. In your area some winter protection may be required, Id say you are best equipped to know how to handle this.

For your nursery trees I would choose some branching and get a main trunk wire on to get some interesting trunk bends--- and you are done for the spring. Then go look for more good deals! Good luck
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