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22-May-2006
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Pine Question
this season has been a bit funny for my trees...my pines in particulair....got several jbp and several mugho's all of which are demonstrating a weird growth pattern this season...none of them really have "candles" so to speak...what is happening is that ther is plenty of new growth...even quite a bit of back budding =) but the new growth isnt even forming candles it is opening right away as it grows...I remember reading on the forum someone else had this happen but didnt go into a possible reason...could it be the weather?? something i did to create this growth?? has any one else had this happen?? if so, what do i do when it comes time to decandle and ther is nothing to decandle?? hard prune in winter and wait until next season??
HELP PLEASE! I have never encountered this issue until now... Thanks...Mike |
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22-May-2006
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I have 8 Mugo's and all developed candles, except one, which didn't put out any candles. Instead, it threw 10-16 needles, at each branch end, in a quick burst of growth.
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22-May-2006
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Thanks for the reply...thats what mine look like...any reason for this that you know of??
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22-May-2006
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I'm not an expert on mugho's but have worked with jbpine. If your growth is that slow I wouldn't do anything to them this year. Let them rip this year and cut back next year if their vigor improves.
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23-May-2006
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My misc. pine seedlings all grow like this. Candles seem like a rather complicated (yet primative) structure for growth. Maybe the direct extension of needles is the trees way of evolving to cope with the climate it is now in.
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23-May-2006
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thanks for the replies...Al, your pines dont produce candles?? is that normal for your trees, or just an occurance?? could it have to do with stress of some kind?? all of the trees are shwing strong growth and look healthy though, just not forming candles...
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23-May-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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It's because they are seedlings. Far too smal to produce anything resembling a candle. I can't offer a reason why yours isn't forming candles if it healthy and all. I know there are a few pine experts around who may offer a better opinion.
Al
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23-May-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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You should leave these alone. You can thin them to pairs if there are too many (i.e., 5-7) in a given area. If you are at the point where needle size is a concern you can cut old needles (left from last fall's needle pulling) that surround this growth, cutting some of the sheath.
If you have no idea what I'm talking about you probably aren't there yet and should thin as necessary but leave all else alone! jim
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23-May-2006
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Thanks Jim...Im not at all concerned about needle lenght at this point...i have several years (5-6) at least before that becomes a concern...mostly i was just curious as to why this could have happened and how to deal with it...you mentioned that i should leave all else alone except for maybe some needle thinning...any reason for this?? does this sometimes happen if the tree is a little weak or stressed??
thanks again for the reply...Mike |
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23-May-2006
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For a tree in development I will typically leave needles for two years. Needles older than this will not be productive and can possibly be "parasitic". These "younger" needles are needed for food production and house possible future budding sites. If allowed to remain however they will lead to larger needles than is desirable- the tree will send energy to the areas with the most needles- so if you are at a stage of needle reduction then one would want to remove these to minimize food production and excessive growth of needles emerging on this "stunted" area. This will make sense if you've studied the whole process of JBP treatment. I don't advocate needle thinning in your instance- you want Y's so if there are several shoots at one spot you may want to consider trimming excess. SO to answer your other question- why did these occur- I suspect that this is indeed a tree that is "stressed". Usually what I have been describing is the result of properly applied treatment for needle reduction- which does stress the tree, part of which yields the result of smaller needles. I would leave it alone, feed it well, water it well and see how the tree responds next spring. jim
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