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Pinching Vs. Pruning
I've done a fair share of research already about bonsai but I must have missed the website or book that actually explains exactly what pinching does. The two books that I purchased (both beginner books) gave me great tips about when to pinch, and what types of tress need more/less pinching, and where to pinch, but not what it does and why it would be used instead of pruning. The one book even described how to pinch.... by putting something in between your thumb and finger (with a color photo just in case)!
So I was hoping that someone here could explain to me why pinching is used in bonsai and what sets it apart from other styling methods. Are there specific times to either pinch or prune and how do I know what those times are? Thanks again.
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Pinching and pruning are the same thing. Pinching is done on fresh growth when its soft and can be pinched off with little force.
Pruning is done the same way, but is used after the growth hardens off and will not succumb to finger nail pressure. Pinching and pruning are both used to increase the twigginess of the branches. The term is ramification, or to ramify. When you pinch say a maple, when the bud first unfolds, pinch out the second set of leaves. When the auxins in the tip respond to the pinching they will stimulate auxillery buds at the base of the last set of leaves at the tip of the branch and in some cases leaf sets farther back on the branch. You then get two buds there. If you do it over, you have four. If you do it again you have eight. So on and so on. Here is a trident maple stump bought two years ago.
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And here is what two years pinching can do to build twiggy branches and a beautiful crown.
Bonsai-al
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Plain old lil'tree novice
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I was under the impression that the auxins of the apical or primary meristems of a branch actually supress the growth of the lateral or secondary meristematic tissue, and that when you pinch the primary growth away it reduces the imhibiting auxins allowing for the growth of lateral branches.
Am I under the wrong impression? I love the maple, by the way. I'd love to see it leafed out.
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Re: Pinching Vs. Pruning
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Just to be sure, the act of pinching is not just pinching (meaning squeezing) the growth but rather using your thumb and finger to break off the new growth. Adam |
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Evergreen Gardenworks
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Here is a very old post of mine to the IBC on just this subject. It later became an article at my website.
>>>>> At 06:32 PM 5/19/97 GMT, you wrote: > I've read about pruning and pinching in several bonsai books as well >as in the IBC archives, and I'm still not sure what to do. I must be >pretty slow, but I wonder if someone out there will have pity on me and >guide me through this in really simple language. Thanks a lot, and please >be patient if my questions seem silly. > I got a Chinese elm a month ago and lopped off the top, leaving it >branchless. I'm satisfied with the thickness of the trunk. It's about six >inches high now and I'd like to keep it under ten inches. Leaves are >beginning to burst out at eight or so spots around the cut on top or >within an inch or so of it. I'd like to end up with a broom some day. First let me say that I am not a big broom style fan. If the trunk is perfectly straight, then sure you can make a broom from it. If it has any trunk movement, it will probably make a better informal upright. 1) It seems to me as if six or more leaves are coming out all at once >from each of the spots on the trunk. Should I start pinching them back >now? Or should I wait until the beginnings of a branch develop? And >exactly where should I pinch? Right where a leaf meets the branch? If >there are six leaves coming out together, which of the six should be >pinched? The ones closest to the trunk or the ones farthest from it? First, let's discuss the role of 'pinching' as opposed to 'pruning'. Pruning is used (with reference to branches) to shape the branch, change the direction of the branch, and create taper within the branch. This is all done by pruning back to a bud aimed in the direction that you want it to go. This is usually done to a shoot with several internodes to be removed or with a larger lignified (woody) existing branch. It doesn't matter if you use concave cutters, your fingers, pruners, or chain saw, as long as you do a neat job. Pinching can achieve the above for very small branches on some species, but for the most part, when we speak of pinching, we are talking about achieving ramification, or twigginess. In this case the scaffolding of the branch is complete, it only needs detail work or ramificication. This is done by removing the tip of the growing branch, usually removing two nodes of a three node shoot. This does two things: 1) it shortens the branch. 2) it releases the buds behind it. Remember Apical Dominance? The buds are held from opening by the release of a hormone manufactured by the terminal (last) bud. It is abscissic acid if I remember correctly, but anyhow, now the remaining bud is free to open AND the buds behind this one. The result is that by pinching out the terminal bud, or removing a two or three bud shoot, several of the buds remaining on this stem are free to open. Usually one or two will open before the new terminal bud starts forming the hormone and stops the process. Thus, where you once had a soft straight shoot with INCREASING internodes (usually), you now have two buds opening forming a forked branch with shorter internodes and achieving ramification. I emphasized INCREASING above, because what most people have never bothered to observe (at least I never see it mentioned) is that the first two or three internodes of a released bud (achieved by pruning) are shorter than the internodes of the rest of the expanding shoot. By pinching back to one or two buds we take advantage of this phenomenon, keeping the short internodes sections and discarding the strong shoot with the longer internodes. This is most important as we reach the outer portions of the branch which, like the branches on the trunk itself, should have leaves and nodes closer together as we approach the extremities. Armed with knowledge, you will be able figure out how to achieve your goal. But of course you have to know what your goal is, and that is always the most difficult part, especially for beginners who have not seen enough trees to know what they want to do. In addition to this, some knowledge of the species is important, because not all woody species react in the same way to pruning (although in general they do). There is also the major distinction that divides the woody species, those that have alternate leaves (buds), and those that have opposite. Alternate species are in general easier to work with, since the last bud will open before the one before it. This creates a strong main branch extension from the last bud and a weaker smaller branch fork (secondary) from the next to last bud. Just keep this in mind and nature will do the rest. In opposite species, the two buds are directly opposite each other and will often open simultaneously with equal strength. If not corrected this will give a fan pattern rather than a strong branch, weak secondary pattern usually desired for bonsai. If one bud is nipped out as they expand, one can mimic an alternate species. The same thing is achieved in the training of Black Pine, where great care is taken to make sure that all the branches fork, where in nature they would form whorls, and only after many years of wear and tear would they be reduced to forked branches. Now I will try to answer some of your questions directly. > 2) At what point do I prune the actual branch itself? Some sources >say after two or three or four internodes. As above, this is for ramification, not necessarily for main branch formation. >What about if there are three >or four internodes in the first inch of the branch? Should I prune there >or wait until the branch is a couple of inches long? Will the branch keep >growing straight out if I lop it off at the end? You must form a branch before you can ramify it. It doesn't matter how many internodes are in the first section of the branch, the only thing that matters is whether the branch will sprout from where you cut it to form a bend or create a secondary (side branch) and a new main extension. In general, if you remove the end of a branch, or otherwise prune it, you will change its direction, since a bud on the side of the branch will break and start the new extension in a different direction, the same is true for chopping the trunk. If you want a straight branch, don't prune it. > 3) When people talk about nipping buds at the end of a branch, what >do they mean? How much of the branch should be left leafless? The last >quarter inch? Half-inch? Inch? If you nip the buds at the end of the >branch, exactly where on the branch do you let the leaves grow? Pinching buds at the end of the branch, means just that. Remove the ONE terminal (and its leaf) and leave the other buds and leaves alone. The bud at base of the next leaf will be the first to open and form a new shoot in a new direction. The rest of the branch may or may not have leaves, it is of no concern to us here. Perhaps you are confused about what constitutes a branch and terminal bud. A branch for pinching purposes constitutes one straight section, or twig, with buds and possibly leaves but with NO side branches. Each branch, twig, or shoot if you prefer has only ONE terminal bud, at the very end of the shoot. > 4) I've probably failed to ask a few important questions. If so, I'd >appreciate it if someone would go ahead and answer them for me anyway. > Again, thanks a lot, and please don't laugh at me for asking a lot of >questions that must seem obvious to you. The other thing that you need to know here is how Ulmus parvifolia grows in response to pruning. What you have probably already learned is that this species is dense with buds (called adventitious) embedded in the bark as well as the single bud contained in the leaf axil. When you prune this species, you get branches all over the place. This is the beauty of this species for bonsai, and also the reason I tell folks not to worry about branches until the trunk formed, since you can easily get branches wherever you want them by simply pruning it hard. You now probably have a little fuzz ball of branches. These are very soft and succulent, and there are very many more than you need. If you begin to prune them off as they emerge you weaken the plant and many of them will die back. Let them grow out about six or eight inches so they can harden and have a better chance of surviving. At this stage you can remove the ones you don't want and start thinking about what to do with the ones remaining. The discussion above should help you. If you want one to fork at a certain location, prune it there. You can see that you must have an image of the tree that you want to obtain before you can proceed. Brent Evergreen Gardenworks Northern California USDA ZONE 8 SUNSET ZONE 14 bonsai@pacific.net http://www.pacific.net/~bonsai |
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Bitten By The Bonsai Bug!
Join Date: Nov-2002
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Very good thread! Brent's comment about the image of a tree's future is a key point and very hard to conceive when you're a new bonsai enthusiast! I'm trying, that's why I'm always looking at on-line galleries, articles and magazines. I re-read my books and journals numerous times. I try to go to bonsai shows and I even look at trees as they are growing in my area! I pinch and watch what happens. I figure I've got a couple of years more before I get it down pat!
Lesley
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Plain old lil'tree novice
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Thank you both, Brent and Andy.
I'm interested that auxins travel the shady side of the trunk. That one is new to me. Time to renew some study on biology apparently. As always, the more I learn about trees, the more fascinated I become.
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This looks like a good thread for the FAQ. This post seems to feed very well into Dennis Makashima's post on internodes, which advocates similar pinching and pruning techniques with a similar explanation: ![]() http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...d=4875#post4875
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