phoenix grafts (please don't bite my head off)

Alasdair

i was looking through the forum and found a thread on pheonix grafts. I kno that it probably isnt the favourite subject with you guys, but what are the suitable trees for this methond of essentially 'fake' bonsai? i have only ever seen shimpaku junipers mentiond, but wonder if there are any more.

Recently i poster about growing a tree inside a rock, now i am also wondering wether a pheonix graft would be possinle on a rock base? i think it'd look really cool if it worked, what does everyone else think?

thanks everyone.

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Oysterowl83

Howdy,

I wouldn't suggest junipers at all because at first you may have a great graph, but eventually the juniper will pull away from the piece it is joined with. I know this first hand, learning this from Colin Lewis.

Anthony*

clrosner

I have made a few Phoenix grafts using the Shimpaku, One of the methods I use to hold the tree into place is to use the plastic srtips that lock automaticlly. I think they use them for bundling wires in a vehicle. But, I also use a little Gorilla glue just before pully the strip tight. Sorry, I am not sure of the name of the locking strip.

I have created a Tanuki using a Fukien Tea and a water Jasmine.

I will try to post the Fukien Tea Tanuki here, front and back.

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Will_Heath

(Wire Ties)

Brent

Anthony

I don't see why the graft would pull (more likely push) away if executed properly. If the cambium were left intact in the channel, then eventually the expanding wood would push the stem out of the channel. But if the bark were peeled off the back of the stem, you are simply attaching dead wood to dead wood. The live portion of the bark would only be exposed on the front.

Callus tissue forming at the edges of the bark tends to grow around any obstacle, including the dead wood of the host plant. Give enough time it would eventually encapsulate the host wood. This is essentially what happens whenever scar tissue heals over a cut. It doesn't know or care whether the wood it is growing over is its own, or even if it is wood for that matter.

Brent

Alasdair

Also, would it work if you were to split many living trees of the same species and press them together, achieving a lobed trunk?

Antony, were i am we call those cable ties, but don't they dig into the wood as it grows?

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clrosner

Thanks Will Heath. I guess that was one of my senior moment, again. Wire ties is so simple!!!

By the way, when I start a Tanuki, I try to undercut the channel in the dead wood. That way as the branch or trunk expands, the enlarged branch or trunk is trapped by the edges of the cut.

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Oysterowl83

Hi Brent,

Juniper's do not make great graphs because their wounds do not heal over. For many years you may have success with the graph, but there will be a point where it starts coming apart, and getting worse with each year. That's what Colin Lewis said.

Anthony*

TreeBay

Dear Anthony,

Juniper is "the" favorite material for Tanuki. Phoenix grafts aren't real grafts in the sense that the living tissue is ever going to bind to the deadwood as it would to live wood, anyway.

Concerning what Colin said, I believe you may be misapplying information that you've read someplace. Unfortunately, in this case, you're using a bit of secondhand information to "correct" someone who has decades of practical experience with these species. Brent knows what he's talking about.

There are a lot of artists who graft Juniper all the time. Mas Ishii of Chikagu-en bonsai nursery has made a career of grafting Shimpaku juniper to Japanese Garden and Prostrata juniper. It's not uncommon to see Shimpaku grafted to California Juniper stock, hundreds of years old.

Regards,

Matt

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