My personal musings on art

HB Smith

Ron,

To what end?

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Howard

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RonMartin(deceased)

Just as a starting point. What else

Vonsgardens

Hmmmmmmm, Guess it is time for me to just go and change the channel. Good night, have strong thoughts for our friends in Texas and Louisiana. There is something relevant there, I am sure.

pioneersnt

The Art vs Craft vs Hobby were vrey interesting, intreguing, inspirational and very educational for such a beginner as my self.
the greatest bit of information from both of the recent threads would have to be Vance's statement about spirit, "The Japanese have a word for this quality called Kami." Very enlightening. I apreciate the shift in paradigm.

Both of these threads had something to offer, till the Ron vs Will pissing match.

Post by Vonsgardens
"Hmmmmmmm, Guess it is time for me to just go and change the channel. "

Yah, what he said.

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clrosner

Each and every person has a personal history that creates and makes each of us a different individual in our tastes, our vision (viva la difference) and that aspect alone makes each one of us see and act differently.

I agree with Vance Wood, that we all see, enjoy and do things differently. That old expression, "I cannot put my head on your shoulders" says it all.

Ron always manages to bring up some wonderful points about art as well as most Bonsai subjects. When he takes the time to contemplate a subject; from out of his writings there is always something to rack the brain, and to give you something to work the gray matter.

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Vance Wood

Here is an interesting conundrum that just came to mind. This is not meant to start a new round of verbal jousting but it is something to think about. I think most people would consider Picaso a great artist. However if Picaso did his work in living trees, aka bonsai, would he still be considered a great artist or a blind hack?

That being asked is there room in bonsai for the more avant garde representations common in graphic arts? Or is bonsai, because of tradition and current trends, locked more or less into the realistic and surrealistic? Before this goes into the realm of growing bonsai on bowling balls and other gadget related items thrown in with trees, I am refering specifically to the trees themselves, sans pots, stands, scrolls and foo-foo.

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The only finished bonsai is a dead one; me 1992 MABA Des Moines Iowa

Hasaki

Vance,
foo-foo? Is this a reference to poo-poo or little bunny foo foo?
http://www.kididdles.com/mouseum/l007.html

Hasaki

Vance Wood

Foo-foo is more or less little nick-knacks like mud men, (sorry to you mud men fans), toy cars, swings on ropes, monkeys in the tree, little birdies, cows, horses, out-houses, bears in caves, picket fences, dead bodies any and all items that are not of the tree, including upholstery, little wells with little buckets, hunters with guns and --------etc.

The mental exercise here is not to justify, or condemn the "Foo-foo" but to question the actual designs of a tree and whether or not it is possible to design a tree in a way someone like Pablo Picasso might have done. After looking at Carl Rosner's wonderful tree paintings it became a question in my mind that someone like Picasso might also paint a tree. If he did what would it look like?

If Mr. Picasso grew a bonsai and designed or styled it in the same way he painted it, would we consider it a bonsai? If no, why not? If we did not consider it a bonsai would we automatically discard its qualifications as art? On the flip side of the same coin if Mr. Picasso made this rather peculiar looking bonsai and painted as Carl has shown it can be done would we consider the painting as art but disqualify the tree that inspired it?

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The only finished bonsai is a dead one; me 1992 MABA Des Moines Iowa

RonMartin(deceased)