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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Neophyte
Join Date: Oct-2005
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Leaves all dead
Hey folks. I finally got my tree order today. But they didn't fair well at all. Pots are all broken and soil in the bottom of the box. Most of the trees look like they will bounce back with a bit of water and tlc. But a fukien and chinese elm are in hurting shape. The leaves are dead dead dead. My questions is, if I pull the leaves off will it just put out new growth over time. The tree is still green under the bark so thats a good sign.
I had a fukien that did this the last time I had trees shipped to me. It looked fine when it got here but it lost all its leaves over the next couple weeks, and has now started with lots of nice new growth. So will the elm today likely do the same thing? Any help you all can give me will be great. I'll have it home and potted up again in a couple of hours. Any tips for how to bring it back would be appreciated. I should mention that the trees have been without light or water for over two weeks. Should I soak them any special way or do anything to help them take up water better? Thanks in advance. Allen Last edited by allenrm : 14-Jun-2006 at 02:02 PM. Reason: extra notes |
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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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I would get on the phone with the vendor to see what THEY can do for you. Busted up pots and dead trees are hardly good customer service. The tree may, or may not, be recoverable, but that really shouldn't be your problem. You paid for healthy trees and unbusted containers--not to "revive" dead or dying plants and reconsturuct pots.
The dealer failed to provide that. He's on the hook to do so. See if they're willing to make good. If not, you might look into stopping payments... P.S.--if this is the second time you've gotten junk like this from this supplier, I'd look elsewhere... |
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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Neophyte
Join Date: Oct-2005
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Not a vendor
My apologies for the confusion. This was shipped by a vendor. It was done as a favor by a friend. I should have mentioned that in my post, sorry.
The plants got help up at customs which is beyond anyone's control as far as the shipping goes. Customs is a pain in the bum. The last time he sent me trees they came pretty fast and did ok. The trouble withthe fukien before was more shock I think. This package was seriously abused tho. Box is beat to crap though so these trees had a much rougher trip than the first time around. Thanks, Allen |
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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
Join Date: Mar-2006
Location: West Springfield Massachusetts
Country: USA
USDA Zone: zone 5
Posts: 1,202
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My first thought is make a claim with the shipping Co., but not being able to see where you are from, I would think if you did that you may end up in trouble, from what I am reading. If you did what I think you did, had the pkg. opened up you or your friend would face some hefty fines I think.
That aside, with no foliage, water them and put them in the sun. You might get lucky. To be on the safe side, make sure there are no bugs. Last edited by Mcspeed : 14-Jun-2006 at 05:54 PM. Reason: after thought. |
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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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Hi Allen,
How long were the trees in transit for? Were they knocked completely out of their pots? Was the soil bone dry? Were the roots dry? If you are going to pot them up regardless, use a fast draining soil mix, perhaps 100% screened turface if you have it. If the trees are still alive, the roots will have most likely died back a fair bit and so the last thing they want is to be sat in a heavy soggy compost. Keep them out of direct sunlight and place on a drip tray with water if possible, to aid humidity. They may recover, but it all depends how long they were in transit and without water. After 2 weeks, do a scratch test on the bark to see if the cambium is still green. If not, you have dead trees sir. All the best, Aaron
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14-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Neophyte
Join Date: Oct-2005
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Update
Aaron, they were all out of the pots because the pots were broken. The roots are still moist and flexible. Actually they seemed very healthy. They were over two weeks in the boxes. I don't have any recourse because they won't guarantee plants in shipping. I am in Canada and customs can be slow at times and they will be repsonsible if something is held up in customs. Its ok to send trees from the US to Canada, but they have to have the right forms with them.
Anyway with them all having smashed pots I repotted all of them today, they are in their new pots and are in good light. Now its just a waiting game. The trees are green under the bark still and the roots look really good. Surprisingly. Thanks for the responses. |
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15-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK Expert
 
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Maybe someone will correct me on this, but why would they need much light now? They don't have any leaves for synthesis. I'd think you'd want them in a shady area and high humidity to help keep water within the tree to maximize internal moisture conservation as it's generating the energy to push new leaves out (perhaps bag them and open periodically to ensure mold doesn't start). I'd also suggest spraying and perhaps light dose of B1 in your watering. (if bagged spraying should not be necessary)
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15-Jun-2006
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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"Maybe someone will correct me on this, but why would they need much light now? They don't have any leaves for synthesis"
The care to provide is the same as you would a recently intentionallyl defoliated trident maple or other temperate deciduous species. Water ONLY when needed, place in semi-shaded area. Wait a couple of weeks for new leaves. They need light to recover. Sunlight can trigger resting buds on the limbs and trunk. They will push new growth in constant shade, but providing some direct morning sun for a few hours will greatly aid in their recovery. I would NOT bag them. Weakened plants like this can be susceptible to all kinds of things, fungal attacks being one of them. Inside a wet plastic bag is the perfect environment to get that started. I would also not spray them. Same fungal issues. They do no require high levels of moisture. The soil needs to stay just moist. They aren't using much moisture at all, as they have no leaves to transpire through. That means overwatering is a big danger--which can be compounded with too much fussig like misting and bagging and the like. |
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