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10-Jan-2005
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Frank Byles is working on such a project: http://mapletrees.net/ One other worthwhile maple resource, from Japan: http://www.inh.co.jp/~hayasida/Etop.html Best regards, Carl
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In love with trees Last edited by Carl_Bergstrom : 10-Jan-2005 at 06:51 PM. |
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10-Jan-2005
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Carl,
I love you and want your babies! lol.  Excellent find sir !! ... I shall be having a good look through these. Many thanks for the reply, Aaron |
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10-Jan-2005
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After thinking about this one for a while the concept of leaf size has to have some sort of parameters even if very loosely defined. I think, and this is just my opinion, that leaf size is pretty much a non issue unless the leaves are so big that they can be defined by a ratio type equation with the tree.
The leaves are almost half as big as the tree, the leaves are one third the size of the tree, the leaves are one quarter the size of the tree, the leaves are one tenth the size of the tree. Once you get down to below one tenth, the leaves are small enough that the eye does not automatically look at them in terms of the ratios mentioned above. It is for the most part not noticed that the leaves are large because the proportions are more or less in some sort of scale that does not stimulate those kinds of comparisons. So, it is possible to make a believable bonsai out of a Big Leaf Maple if the tree is large enough to make the leaves proportionatly smaller than one tenth the height of the tree. It is also possible that leaves can be too small as to make the tree look sick, as in there is something worng health wise with the tree but this issue is seldom a problem. This make sence to anyone? |
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11-Jan-2005
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Dances With Trees
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I was intrigued by the math, so I spent some time looking at pics of maple bonsai.
Most of the trees that looked really good were close to a 1:20 (leaf size to tree height ratio) taller tree The ones that were closer to 1:10 looked more like shrubs shrub-ish Unless they were very stylized stylized short maple So, I suppose that if you had to reduce it to the basic math (which seems to take away some of the art-ness) I would say a ratio of between 1:10 and 1:20 - bob
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11-Jan-2005
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Carl, thanks for the beautiful Osakazuki photos! I'm having trouble finding information on their internode spacing. Since you have some experience with them, maybe you could comment?
EDIT: I had included a response to Aaron K here concerning Orido-Nishiki but, in the interest of keeping the thread on topic, moved it to a new thread on varigation. -- isospin Last edited by isospin : 11-Jan-2005 at 03:31 AM. Reason: branched thread |
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11-Jan-2005
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Old Mister Crow
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[Rest of the post moved to the Varigated maples thread]
Osakazuki internodes: I've only got a very young one, and I'd intended that one for container culture rather than as a bonsai. The internodes there are long, but the thing is just a grafted whip, basically, so I don't have a good sense of how much I could get the internodes to reduce. With this as with any Japanese maple, my feeling is that the best way of obtaining good stock is to layer an appropriately sized branch off of a mature garden tree. Unlike some of the more recent, exotic cultivars, full-sized garden specimens of osakazuki are relatively easy to find. Just something to keep in mind... Best regards, Carl
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In love with trees Last edited by Carl_Bergstrom : 11-Jan-2005 at 03:46 AM. |
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11-Jan-2005
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Partly missing the point?
I hate to come wading in with my traditionalist views here.
 To my mind, the real beauty of deciduous trees, is in the winter view whilst leafless. The softness of line, the beauty of taper, the 'teased' ramification are all signs of mature trees, and it is only during the winter that this refinement can be appreciated properly [at all]. Only during winter can the design integrity of a maple be seen. Leaves and extension growth are just a means to an end during the growing season, when a very fine bonsai can look no better than a poor one. The growing season should be used only to improve the winter image, so during spring and summer many very fine maples will look very odd, with growths of large leaves being allowed to remain on the tree. Only in winter, when the leaves (whatever size) have dropped, and the winter pruning has been complete, do we really see the worth of the work. Regards, Fish.
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Dammit! I mean to think that!  Well, I might have meant to think "mostly" instead of "only" or to put some other sort of qualifiers around this sentence: "The growing season should be used only to improve the winter image." But yeah, very good point, Fish. I've got this love affair going with Acer palmatum in and out of bonsai culture, and so sometimes I think I get a bit hung up on foliage, especially that amazing bright fresh foliage of newly emerged leaves in May, and the glorious sunset of colors in October. But you're right. When it all comes down to it, I'm am aiming to grow trees that will beautiful in winter. I agree that winter is the ideal time to display Japanese maple, and I find that if one gets winter right, beauty throughout the other seasons comes naturally, so to speak. Best wishes, Carl
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Isospin Personally I don't feel that leaf size is that critical. For sure it isn't,(for Me) if the tree has some other outstanding feature. Great rootage,and trunk, leaf color ect. Generaly ,when I look at a tree, I first try to see the overall presentation. Leaf color comes into play here.but not the leaf size. My eyes usually then follow the root, trunk line up to the limbs and branching ,and foliage masses and color.. If all this is great,and given the spectacular, spring and fall leaf color of most Japanese ( and other ) Maples , leaf size really dosen't matter to me. I commend anyone who can look at a beautiful Japanese Maple bonsai in the spring or fall,and find themselves longing for all the leaves to fall of,so they can see the beautifull ramification. They certainly have a much more diciplined mind than I do. Anyway, welcome to the Maple sickness, OlBlue
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