just a question-Learn to Develop Stock?

soltan

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The field grown trees are great to see though I didn't know so many people had this scale of operation any deciduous fields

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Will_Heath

Brett,

I find this thread interesting and educational, hardly disappointing.

Read the title again, "Learn to Develop Stock?" Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what we have been doing?

Remember that complaining never improves a thread, adding to it does. As my good friend Carl, is fond of saying, if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel.


Will

Vance Wood

I'm sorry you feel that way. You are right this started out with one individual making comments about growing above ground,---this is what I do. There was no disclaimer at the beging of the thread saying
"Vance Wood" may not post to this discussion.

Because Rips started this thread I waited and waited and waited and no Rips. Does this mean that I or no one else is intitled to contribute their knowledge to a subject they know something about or have questions about? Why did he simply abandoned this thread? Should we have just let it die out there in cyber space because Rips lost interest or something? It's a great subject and the discussion had started.

I know what we should do----have Matt delete all post after Rips last entry, would that make you happy? I don't understand why you feel that I or maybe some others are the villains in this, or villains at all? Another thing I don't understand is that you think there has been an argument going on here. I think the discussion has been civil and the exchange and debate reasonable. But if you already know all this stuff----? It seems to me that if you have a problem you should send a private message to Rips and ask him where he is in the thread he started. From this point on I will keep my mouth shut. It seems that you and at least one other don't think much of what I have said here.

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Vonsgardens

Well, I guess my thought is


HUH?

This thread has been great. There are lot's of different ways to do things: Bags- no bags; in ground pots- no pots, let em go wild- keep em under control. Who has hijacked anything? That a few who have actually reared trees in the ground/in grow containers make some comments-read, extract and learn something. This is a heck of a lot better than havng an article written by someone who may have a seen a tree grown in ab ox or the ground somewhere........

John

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calliemichelle

wow that took some reading and there is some great info but seriously guys sometimes when reading this thread I felt like I was on a battlefield, or in a courtroom.
I grow my trees in the ground, no restriction to the roots, and use the spade method, same as Will. I dont have any in the ground at the moment but hope to in the near future, as soon as time permits.


Callie

Have a happy day!

Adrian_Moss

i'm also interested in learning new technic being new to bonsai myself. i have a four year old juniper and i'm also growing a few black pines from seed( which is the way i plan to grow the rest of my bonsai trees.

OKbonsai

I second that HUH. The only reason I posted was because foloks were talking about undercutting trees in the field to get the fine rooting. I just wanted to show how my turned out not undercutting. I have to apologize about my last post, I was a little short, but I had just spent 4 long days on my other hobby and I did have a major headache.
This is why I don't like to post on forums, I too will keep to myself, if you want to know how I grow trees email me or come by.
And Soltan I do have fields of deciduous trees in production also.
Thanks again,
Frank

Vance Wood

Frank:

I did not suggest that your material was neglected. We had just discussed Roy's problems and admission that his beds had been neglected. My point about field growing becoming a headache was based solely on those reports and a personal headache our club is experiencing at the moment. If you thought I was being critical of what you displayed you should read it again, I thought I was complementing your efforts. If you misinterpreted my intentions I apologize for not being clear enough.

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ripsgreentree

Field growing is great if you have the field and the time and the knowlege to do it.
Frank I hope that you are still reading as your material is the most desirable that I have seen since I was growing trees for Andy Swanson. Well Done!! I don't think that you have any trouble selling trees that look like the ones that you have presented in your pictures.
I am delighted to see all of the input and comments that have bin presented here. To all of you that do not have a field to grow trees out, what is your solution? How do you grow a seedling up to be at least an exceptable Shohin in your lifetime? I have taken my techniques and Ideas from articles of a retired Japanese gentleman who every one said was foolish because he wanted to grow his own trees from seed. The excepted wisdom was that he was to old and would be long dead befor any tree was old enough or large enough to be desirable. He proved wise experts to be incorrect by growing a shohin tree with a nebari the size of a two leter coke bottle in just ten years. Now this is old news and well documented in Bonsai Today past issues. So by addapting his techniques I have been able to develop a one inch trunk in just two years and many more trees to come. Not impressive to a field grower but very exciting to some one like me who lives in an appartment. To speak to some of the discussion that has been swerling around this thread. Ponding baskets or screaned growing boxes, both work very well but it is equally importiant to use a proper soil mix. In my cast one with no bio degradables, no wood chips or mulch or any of the above. For me Bonsai soil means nothing that will break down in the mix and become mud in three years. I have found that in a soil mix like this, I will develope the very fibrous root system that is required for health and vigor that will allow me to use the proven Japanese needle shortening techniques that we all strive for. Crushed Calidama has allowed me to acomplish these goals. For those of you who would like to see Calidama send me a private e-mail with your address and I will send you a small sample.
Pond liner as the bottom of a growing bed, your pond liner is on a flat serface slightly above the walkway between beds. The bed is lined with cender blocks, all of your drainage is lateral down into your pathway. Good Bonsai soil and no organics meens no soggy mess. I can fill a bed six feet wide fourty feet long with Bonsai soil. Here is another thought for those of you who do not own there own land. The growing bed described above can be moved from one piece of land to another, a royal pain and lots of work but it can be done.
Glenn Van Winkle

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