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8-Mar-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Is it Japanese or Chinese
In strating this thread I hope that this will remain an honest discussion of what makes a tree Chinese vs. Japanese.
If there is in fact a difference, what differentiates Chinese styling from Japanese styling. I don't want to argue which style is superior. I'd simply like to know what shifts a tree to the Chinese end of the spectrum vs. Japanese. If you have pictures that help display you're explaination those would be helpful. Cord |
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8-Mar-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master
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I remember this post Pootsie,
Some great peijing on there, But what is it that makes a tree japanese or chinese, what part of the aesthetic allows for that determination |
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8-Mar-2006
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yes....that is exactly right...one has drug-addled ravers and the other does not......not to be confused with the american style that features pizza and beer....
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8-Mar-2006
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I wish I knew the words to describe my personal idea of what separates Japanese and Chinese styling of bonsai/penjing. I need to keep learning more about both, I guess. pootsie |
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8-Mar-2006
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Bonsai mai-farli-bene
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Greetings Cordon,
When I think of penjing I see a tree which is influenced to be true to itself. Not to say that there isn’t design or styling involved. But there is something of the wild and ruggedness about penjing that speaks to my heart. When I see Japanese trees, I see a lot of fantastic art works that have a very similar flavor in their intense perfection. Think of the Japanese pines you see… The truly great ones are examples of stylized perfection. But inside of that, it can be easy to see trees that have achieved that prized image of perfection looking very much alike. It is no loss to the individual tree. But when you see a Japanese pine it would be easy to recognize the origin in another, because all of the same elements and patterns will be present. There is something sublime about the way the Japanese take a tree and bring it to the height of beauty. The Japanese style is so distinct in its expression. It finds its essence in achieving aged and dignified elegance. To be venerable is the core Japanese influence I see, because it is what I believe they seek to attain in themselves as a people. In penjing I feel the emphasis is less about the idea of achieving stylistic perfection, but rather drawing from the tree it’s own unique and often ruggedly beautiful image. There is almost a defiant feeling, in the face of harsh environmental forces inflicting its influence on the tree, were it in full form in the wild. Twisted often knarled trunks, with sparse branching and equally spare foliage are often seen in penjing. One can almost feel the incessant winds that would have pummeled a tree into its form, clutching to a crag on a high mountain. Wildness and the imperfections then become the perfection. Because it will reach into your soul and make you believe. The caveat to all of these thoughts, is that it is my own personal interpretation… And being that, I could be completely wrong. But for the moment, it is the truth I know. I hope even if I am wrong, I will have at least contributed something to influence the direction of this conversation. I like that we are examining this, because it is a subject of extreme interest to me. I am an open book willing to be rewritten in this effort to define the aesthetics that declare these two, oh so lovely, forms. All my respect, Last edited by Victrinia_Ensor : 8-Mar-2006 at 05:14 PM. |
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8-Mar-2006
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I have heard that Japanese fits into a "style" and chinese is chaos.
-Paul
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8-Mar-2006
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Ms. Vic says:
"In penjing I feel the emphasis is less about the idea of achieving stylistic perfection, but rather drawing from the tree it’s own unique and often ruggedly beautiful image. " Well put. Mike
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Paul, I must strongly disagree with what you have heard. Mike
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8-Mar-2006
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Bonsai mai-farli-bene
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Yours kindly, Last edited by Victrinia_Ensor : 8-Mar-2006 at 05:09 PM. |
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