bonsaiTALK Home Page  

Go Back   bonsaiTALK Community > Main > General
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
Forum Gallery Weather Journals Links Webring Wiki NEW:Shop
Articles Opinion T.O.D. NEW:Radio Contests Humor NEW: Auctions! Donate


Importing Bonsai from Japan

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
bonsaiTALK Hint: Did you know you can double click any bonsai term on this page for its definition?
Old 2-Jan-2007   #1
lance111
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct-2006
Location: Aberdare
Country: Wales
Posts: 40
Click Here to Skype lance111
What is the situation on imported Bonsai from Japan?


As I tried a few years ack and they said quarentine periods and rules ect... does anybody know if the laws have changed and we can import Trees from Japan?? many thanks...Lance.
__________________
Please visit my site/forum.. as I don't have any members !!


http://www.miyagibonsai.com
lance111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsor Message Importing Bonsai from Japan
Advertisement
Forum Sponsor
Old 2-Jan-2007   #2
Vonsgardens
Professional Amateur
Vonsgardens's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
Vonsgardens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb-2005
Location: Arkansas
Country: USA
Posts: 2,616
Better speak with your in country Department of Agriculture (or what ever you guy call it...). The EU importation restrictions have steadily increased- Don't know if the UK is following all of their guidelines (you know, like the common currency...)

John
__________________
"Wiring is simple; However, it is not easy to do it right" Boon
Vonsgardens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2-Jan-2007   #3
lance111
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct-2006
Location: Aberdare
Country: Wales
Posts: 40
Click Here to Skype lance111
Ok thanks for that..lol

I would love to import from Japan, but when i tried a few years back they blocked it everyway i moved, it was hard work...
__________________
Please visit my site/forum.. as I don't have any members !!


http://www.miyagibonsai.com
lance111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #4
edgey
bonsaiTALK Craftsman
 
Join Date: Dec-2006
Location: Central Coast
Country: Australia
Posts: 53
Click Here to Skype edgey
G'day Lance, You should try and contact Peter Chan in England. He imports Bonsai every year from Japan by the container for his nursery. I went to Japan last year on a Bonsai tour and he was on it. I spoke to him with regards to importation, because Australia is very difficult, and how he went about it. He helped change the law to allow a small quantity of soil to be admitted with the plant, and we all know a bonsai pot only carries a small amount of soil. Smart fella!! This enables him to be able to bring them in. Maybe because he is a large nursery? imports a lot of quantity? Know's the right people? I'm not sure? He's a nice guy so look him up. Best of luck with it. Andrew
edgey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #5
wabashene
bonsaiTALK Master
 
wabashene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul-2004
Location: South
Country: UK
USDA Zone: 9ish
Posts: 285
Lance,

Pretty nigh impossible for an individual to import trees to the UK I would say.

The big UK importers go on a buying trip in April/May, select the trees and ship them in a couple of months later where - depending on the source country- they remain in 6 month quarantine on average.

Prior to being shipped they will have had to have been grown for 2 years in an approved nursery and have a phytosanitary certificate issued.

In the meantime they often sell them from photographs taken prior to shipment and you can collect in early springtime the year after generally. That's how Windybanks used to operate for instance.

Certain things can speed up import a tad such as soiless "soil" that can be sterilised more easily, pre-shipment fumigation and certification.

Full text of the Defra explanatory leaflet is Here

TimR
__________________
If I knew the way, I would take you there.
wabashene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #6
rockm
bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
 
Join Date: Oct-2003
Location: Fairfax, Va
Country: USA
Posts: 4,561
I'd agree. Stick with somone who's already importing trees and who knows the ropes on the subject. Ask them if they can get the particular tree you're interested in.
rockm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #7
wabashene
bonsaiTALK Master
 
wabashene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul-2004
Location: South
Country: UK
USDA Zone: 9ish
Posts: 285
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockm
I'd agree.


There's a first time for everything!

Happy New Year Mark.

;-)

Lance,

I would have though that Aberdare - right in the heart of the South Wales coal field - would be a gold mine for collecting stuff like hawthorns etc. if you can get permission.

There seems to be a very active bonsai scene in both South and North Wales.

There's a coterie of Welshmen over on IBC who seem to "know their onions" to say the least and an annual show at Margam Country Park where I've played cricket.

Japanese trees are all well and good but unless you're paying 2 -10 grand for a masterpiece tree it will always be just a starter tree needing a lesser or greater amount of development and refinement work taking 5-10 years. You will certainly have to pay at least a hundred for a decent imported white pine for instance. See Here as an example.

Check your local rugby club car park for one (plenty around Aberdare for sure). I got this from mine in Hampshire.

TimR
Attached Images
File Type: jpg haw new.jpg (24.6 KB, 41 views)
__________________
If I knew the way, I would take you there.
wabashene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #8
Ravenna
bonsaiTALK Expert
 
Join Date: Mar-2004
Country: Switzerland
Posts: 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vonsgardens
Better speak with your in country Department of Agriculture (or what ever you guy call it...). The EU importation restrictions have steadily increased- Don't know if the UK is following all of their guidelines (you know, like the common currency...)

John


Just wanted to mention that my impression is that the rules and regulations regarding the import of plants (and animals) in the UK are much stricter there than in the rest of the EU or any other country on the "continent" as the "Brits" like to designate us... When I went to the UK I left my plants on the continent because it all seemed so complicated. If I remember correctly I would have had to put that plant into quarantine even though I had already owned it for 10-12 years! My budgies definetely had to go into quarantine and had to be examined by a vet a week before transport, by a vet on the airport and within 48 or 72 hours within arrival in the UK and stay in quarantine in my room for a month or so and be examined again at the end of quarantine...

On the way back... I just took them with me on the ferry, no vets anywhere... As far as I have heard from other bonsaiists in the EU, you are allowed to import trees from Japan and people are known to visit the country and bring some with me. What I have heard though is that there are species which are excluded from that because there is a worry that certain pests and diseases are going to be imported with them. So, apparently the import of prunus mume ist being forbidden now, which is a real pity because originally I was due to work on a prunus mume at my bonsai school in the third year which would have been spring this year... But luckily I already have some...

P.S.: just wanted to add though: in the UK you have such phantastic nurseries esp. in Cornwall that it seems to me that you should be able to find good and interesting tree material even of more unusual species... :-)

Last edited by Ravenna : 3-Jan-2007 at 12:38 PM.
Ravenna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #9
thedoc_
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
thedoc_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec-2006
Location: Larnaca
Country: Cyprus
Posts: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by edgey
G'day Lance, You should try and contact Peter Chan in England. He imports Bonsai every year from Japan by the container for his nursery. I went to Japan last year on a Bonsai tour and he was on it. I spoke to him with regards to importation, because Australia is very difficult, and how he went about it. He helped change the law to allow a small quantity of soil to be admitted with the plant, and we all know a bonsai pot only carries a small amount of soil. Smart fella!! This enables him to be able to bring them in. Maybe because he is a large nursery? imports a lot of quantity? Know's the right people? I'm not sure? He's a nice guy so look him up. Best of luck with it. Andrew

Hi there Lance,

I personally know Peter Chan and i can confirm that he imports trees from Japan. I've been to his nursery several times and i saw the quality of the trees he imports, not only finished specimens but also pre-bonsai, including different varieties of maples, pines, junipers, pots, tools etc. I am sure he would be more than happy to help you with this, since he imports every year. He is a really nice person, easy to talk to. Visit his webpage www.herons.co.uk and have a look at his collection and nursery.

Stav.
__________________
"What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing" Aristotle (384-322 b.c)
thedoc_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3-Jan-2007   #10
thedoc_
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
thedoc_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec-2006
Location: Larnaca
Country: Cyprus
Posts: 29
Hi Lance,


I just remembered.... Another way to go is through the Neatherlands. The system there helps them import plans from various countries, they "baptise" them with the right paperwork as if they were produced in their country and then it becomes easy to move them around in Europe. Really clever, since they make the rules of the game in Europe when it comes to bulbs, flowers, plants and trees!!

Stav
__________________
"What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing" Aristotle (384-322 b.c)
thedoc_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 01:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin v3.6.5
Copyright ©2000-2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8