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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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Grow Beds Vs Grow boxes
I've been arguing with myself whether to make an above ground grow bed, or to make multiple grow boxes for individual trees for growing trees out. Space is not an issue, cost is more of one however. I would be growing trees from maples, to pines, to junipers and hemlocks. Which would be most economical and most efficient for growth and development? Time isn't much of an issue, but fast growth is prefered.
Also, for above ground beds, what is a good soil mix? Thanks,
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Mar-2004
Location: Melbourne
Country: Australia
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timber boxes are good for customising the sizes, they have good insulative properties, but will rot after a while if not painted with a non-toxic tanking/waterproofer. the only problem is that they may be time/money consuming to make.
i am using polystyrene boxes as they are free and lightweight and good for insulation of roots, the dimension of these is about 45cm x 60cm x 20cm. then you could also dig the right components into the soil and grow them in the ground.
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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It depends largely on what your plans are for each tree. If you're looking to bulk the trunks up, then a grow bed is probably best. If the trunks are "finished" developing, then grow boxes might be more appropriate.
The difference between grow boxes and the ground is primarily the room for root run. The more root run, the faster trunks develop. I have never used grow boxes for collected material. I collect because trunks are usually complete on them, as that's why I collected them. In the ground and left to develop, trees have to be "collected" a second time, or lifted every three or four years to cut the roots back. |
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bonsaiTALK Master
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rock,
In your opinion what should the dimensions be regarding growing boxes? Ratio wise? I've always built mine shallow and wide. -Moe
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Recovering Workaholic
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Rockm basically covered it. Boxes are for developing branches if you are happy with the trunk. Growing in the ground is for bulking up.
I have used boxes extensively for collected material. Sometimes I put collected trees in the ground, such as this spring. I have several red maples that I cut back hard when I collected them several years ago, and I want to develop an upper trunk apex for each tree more quickly. They have been in boxes for several years, but I will keep them in the ground for a couple of years to heal over the trunk chops, and decide from there what to do. Craig Cowing
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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"In your opinion what should the dimensions be regarding growing boxes? Ratio wise?"
Depends greatly on the root mass and the species, but as a rule of thumb, a grow box shouldn't be more than an inch or two wider or deeper than the rootball. Big grow boxes with alot of extra room can lead to complications as the surrounding soil can stay too wet. |
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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By the way, I meant to say I never use growing beds for collected material...
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bonsaiTALK Journeyman
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Thanks for the help guys. I guess I'll get building and get it prepared, going to be moving all the bonsai back to that area anyway. The beds were for growing out trees, I currently do have grow boxes for those that are getting closer to being "finished".
What is a good soil mix for an inground bed? Thanks again,
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Recovering Workaholic
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Quote:
Compost is good, with regular old dirt. Try to avoid soil with a lot of clay in it. Craig Cowing
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