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Old 5-Aug-2003   #1
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Evaluating Material

Here I have a mugo pine which I have collected last spring. It has survived two vegetation periods by now and seems to be save. Last spring I was on a roll and have collected about 70 trees. Not all of them were meant for myslef, of course. I do sometimes take trees with me just because they are on the way to the car and dont't eat much hey.
Now the question: is this good, bad mediocre material? Is this garbage?

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Old 5-Aug-2003   #3
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I think that could be quite "interesting", you should clean it up a bit and see what you've got.
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Walter,

If you need someone to help with chores, I'll be glad to come and take out your garbage! This tree appears to have great movement and if the swell at the base is not an illusion of the photograph, this appears to be an excellent specimen quality tree. If it is not, please explain why it is not.

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Re: Evaluating Material

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Now the question: is this good, bad mediocre material? Is this garbage?

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out on a limb...

Whoops forgot to vote. I'm gonna say, "bad mediocre material".

Simply because you didn't give the "good mediocre category".

Some positives:
1. Old bark
2. Established two years from the mountain
3. coiled trunk with taper
4. Tons of jins

Some negatives:

1. Tons of Jins (going to be a lot of jins and/or scars)
2. Interior void of needles old or new
3. Weak overall growth


Having said that there are still lots of ideas that come to mind.
-Windswept with extensive wiring or
-"Kimura style" where he pulls down all long branches into multiple layers and pinches out most crotch and inside growth
-Driftwood style sharied literati
- cut back, fertilize, and wait

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Foot in my mouth?

Ok. I'm probably going to make an a** out of myself but here goes. As a relative beginner, if I saw this at the local nursery with a $35 tag on it, I'd probably pass it by.
1. too busy.. I wouldn't know where to start
2. too many chopped off branches... results in many ugly scars or too many jins
3. don't know about pines... I don't know if I can take care of it so look for something <$10

I can see this is going to be a great lesson and I'm looking forward to what Walter says. Thanks.
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I am going to say the price tag on that would be more around 300-600 dollars the way it is now.
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neck on the block

A few months back I too would pass this by.

Now, it might get a second look. On the second look I would be torn between the large bulging base on the plus side, and the sparse foliage and excess of dead wood on the minus side.

I think it would prove difficult to achieve a cohesive image with all the chopped off branch stubs. The jins would end up being too numerous and confusing. I would probably end up removing a great number of them and settle for just a few.

I can easily picture in my mind a cohesive foliage image for this tree. In practice, it would probably be beyond my technical ability to achieve.

Would I buy it? probably not.

Would I have collected it? wouldn't know how to, to be honest.

There you go. My honest appraisal based on my own ability. For me it would fall in the mediocre category.

Now in the hands of an expert, I can easily see it falling into the good category.

I await the verdict...

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OK, i'm going to say yes there is a potential good bonsai in there!

However it is difficult to tell without being able to get hands on with the tree!

This is what i'm thinking:
the bark is excellent,
there could be an excellent semi cascade with some tilting
and jininig resulting in upward facing jins,
like bonsai nut i can see a windswept or a driftwood style,
the voided spaces could be either used (negative space) or as stated by bonsai nut you could chop back and wait to see if back budding occurs,
its not garbage thats for sure in my opinion, but it is certainly a long project.

Look forward to seeing what people have to say!

Jonny...

Actually changed my mind, its garbage best I take it off your hands Walter!
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