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23-May-2006	#11
hortriot bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Melbourne Country: Australia Posts: 416	herre it is http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/bonsai.html __________________ another day, another leaf

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23-May-2006	#12
WildChild I try... I really do. Join Date: Mar-2006 Location: Western Sydney Country: Australia USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 10 Posts: 140	Ta. __________________ "Creating bonsai is not a mechanistic process; we prune with the hand but are guided by the heart..."

23-May-2006	#13
soltan Wabi and Sabi student Join Date: Apr-2005 Country: australia USDA Zone: 8-9? AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 564	WildChild Also try this from our Fly http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...p?t=9245&page=1 __________________ GROW DAMIT! BRETT AUSTRALIA ZONE 8-9?

23-May-2006	#14
Alasdair bonsaiTALK Master Chief Join Date: Aug-2004 Location: Aberystwyth Uni Country: Wales USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 0-1 Posts: 1,100	Maybe not, but it might be able to cope with several days of subersion. You make it sound like the next time it rains these trees will become flooded for ever! I'm sure that's not the case. If it has managed to grow there for however many years it has probably got a bit wet in the past. Al __________________ I can feel another "I wish that was my tree" moment coming on... Currently studying BSc Plant Biology at the Universty of Wales, Aberystwyth

23-May-2006	#15
hortriot bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Melbourne Country: Australia Posts: 416	al is right, it appears to be growing in harsh conditions and trees take time to get a hold. and many would have failed where these few have survived. __________________ another day, another leaf

23-May-2006	#16
soltan Wabi and Sabi student Join Date: Apr-2005 Country: australia USDA Zone: 8-9? AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 564	Yes that is exactly what I am trying to say. Our state is in about the biggest drought it has ever had. It has been going for many years. It is hard to comprehend but look at the pictures why does the tree line stop were it does. Because this is a river bed. The tree that I have pictured is the thickest I saw and it is towards the outside of the river bed. I guess that is where it has been dry the longest. I can't say how old the others are I guess this has happend over the last 10 years. some towards the middle may be only several years old from there girth but look ancient from the hammering they have taken. __________________ GROW DAMIT! BRETT AUSTRALIA ZONE 8-9?

23-May-2006

#17

soltan

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Join Date: Apr-2005

Country: australia

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Sorry not flooded for ever but for an extended period even a number of years.
Like I said I am not sure about this but it is what I need to wiegh up.
I will see if I can get a pic of this area when wet.
Here is another tree that shows more the average size of the trees there.
The base of this is about the size of my wrist.

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23-May-2006	#18
rockm bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2003 Location: Fairfax, Va Country: USA USDA Zone: 7 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 4,561	"I don't think any tree survives totally under water (wich is what I mean) not even our mighty Red River gum" Water elm (planera aquatica) survives quite well completely submerged for months. The best ones collected in La. are in a lake bed that is seasonlly flooded for four to six months a year. The trees there are underwater during that time. However, if you are in a bad drought, these trees are extremely unlikely to survie collection--at least that's been my experience here in N. America. Drought stricken trees are stressed--digging them up will push them over the edge. With good rains, it will take a few years for the trees to be strong enough to be collected. Trees I have collected here in drought years and the year after a bad summer drought have a very low survival rate.

23-May-2006	#19
taipan(deceased) Nudist Bonsai Farmer Join Date: May-2005 Location: Daintree Rainforest & Great Barrier Reef Country: Australia USDA Zone: 6tropical AHS Heat Zone: humid Posts: 565	It would be a lot of work to trace back the roots to where they are feeding and then remove them intact....hmmm...but as you say its going to erode into the ocean and be killed....I'd try removing it and fixing the retaining wall after you finish work. But you have to build a custom grow box for the tree...take a tape measure out and find out how large the box should be. Take a few potato sacks, spaghnum moss, and water for the tree. Or you could pack the base with spaghnum moss and rooting hormone and hope it grows roots....then those larger ones could be cut in 3-6 months....may take years.... The tree will die either way but its worth a shot... Good luck Kimosabe Tai

23-May-2006	#20
FlyBri Chopped Liver? *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: Jun-2004 Location: Hurstbridge Country: DownUnda USDA Zone: 9-10? AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 1,557	Enter The Wet Blanket. Gday Soltan & Co! I'd leave it where it is for numerous reasons, the major of which being that I suspect you'll have a very difficult time collecting enough roots to keep the tree alive. There are lots of big surface roots showing, but I reckon that most of those are purely 'decorative', and are more than likely half-dead. Even in the best, most friable soils, Euc roots are unpredictable, and often travel great distances from the trunk. In the case of rocky outcrops and cliff faces, this problem is severely magnified. I also can't help but think of the mess you'd make of the collection site, given its 'soil' structure. If this tree is one of very few on an otherwise barren site, it is obviously a survivor which should be left to re-colonize the area - after all, it has shown a genetic pre-disposition to be able to grow in a very hostile situation. I believe you'll have more joy by spending $50 on a semi-mature nursery Euc than you will spending hours of toil and years of recovery time on this tree. Besides, I can't think of a place that needs its trees more than "land [that] has already been raped." Thanks. Fly. __________________ Australian Native Plants as Bonsai Study Group ANPB Galleries --- rrr.org.au - Support Free-Range Radio

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