Ethics of yamadori.

hortriot

Is yamadori ( collecting a tree from the wild ) a viable and sustainable practice in todays world? I know it may be a feisty topic but I would just like talkers P.O.V.

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kingkong

Collecting wild plants from habitat is quickly becoming a thing on the past. Without divulging plant species or sources but as a case study given incognito.

Tree A...import-export permits, cites documents, phytosanitary certificates all expired. This plant is no longer allowed to be removed from its mother land by the powers to be.
Tree B... This plant is now mostly protected by federal preserves and private lands.
Tree C... This plant is still available in a vary limited capacity but mostly protected.

kcpoole

Like anything else, trees can be a "Managed Resource".
Given the germination and growth rates, Collection could be allowed to a sutainable rate.

This only really applies to Native species as anything else could be considered weeds and the removal of them can benefit the local environments.

No one says that yamadori have to be native species.

Ken

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kingkong

When collecting one or two as a hobby interest there was never a problem. When the commercial interests got involved, the idea of making a living, the numbers of collected plants multiplied out of control. I have seen this totally rewrite the rules of plant removal and change the environment, it was inevitable. We have over indulged our resources for greed and fame and now my children will never experience what I did 30 years ago. Those are just the facts.

What I would like to see instead of this constant take take mentality is that we should more effort into making the public aware of indigenous ancient trees and their beauty where they reside but that is easier said then done. After all that is what we really enjoy the most is it?

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Mcspeed

There really aren't that many Bonsai enthusiasts throughout the world, we waste more trees throwing away trash every day, look at how many people who got bashed for collecting somewhere that was destined for the bull dozer. Hope this doesn't get ugly but even though I love the enviroment, eco nutzos are over the edge. Not saying you are by the way.

No stats to back me up but I would think that a large company like Walmart would use more trees in a day then all of us combined collecting fifty scrubby little trees each.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

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kingkong

The big chain stores do not deal with indigenous collected materials from my experience. Their food chain is all standard manufactured products by the most part.
There are not many bonsai buyers? It is a quiet industry but I think you would be very suprised how it has expanded. In our local area, our resources can legaly no longer supply the local demand much less nation demands. While our resources dry up the preservation thinking is moving in. It hasn't been fun, that is just the way it is.
The bull dozer dilemma is just what it is a dilemma. There seems to be no satisfactory solution.

Divinder22

I'm surprised no one describes searching for yamadori as looking for a needle in hordes of bug eaten junk...maybe its my area...my bad luck or my frustrations boiling off...anyway...there you have it...my tarnished two pennies...good luck with the hunting

lagunamadre

Please take the time to go to www.goldenarrowbonsai.com. Andrew Smith collects on a regular basis, and there is a section where he gives his take on your question. It is as they say, " straight from the horses mouth". Larry

marcovgv

I have the mindset that everything we do makes a difference. I dont think walmart killing more trees in one day than we would in a year justifies or gives us the right to remove the trees we do. Now i have to say this depends on th trees removed. if you are removing a tree from the environment that has been naturally dwarfed then i think it is different than removing a tree that has the potential of growing in to a large fullsize oxygen producing tree.
Actually by taking yamadori that is naturally kept small due to root constriction etc, you are removing the runt of the litter that dose not really provide a home for native wildlife or much oxygen to the environment. compared to a tree of its species that has reached is full size.

Now as kingkong stated that by removing even this yamadori we are taking away the "natural bonsai" seen in nature. i for one have gone out hiking one year and seen beautiful potential bonsai and the next year a hole where it had been dug up. or have seen these trees being prepared for removal. in florida cypress are collected like crazy.

How much damage can bonsaiists cause the environment? Of course not much compared to large coporations like walmart. If everyone turned off the lights when they left a room, if everyone recycled, if everyone took shorter showers sure this would make a difference. but the truth is that the mentality is exactly as stated. I am such a small percentage compared to the damage caused by companies like walmart.

I have collected urban yamadori. my best bougie and ficus came from a hedge a family removed from the yard because they were redoing thier ladnscaping. in florida some of the maerial found this way is amazing. i have a friend of mine that is a gradener always on the lookout for good material from landscaping jobs.