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Old 7-Oct-2003   #11
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Ron,

Very nice. I only have one comment/question about the crossing trunk lines on the left of the #1 tree. Is this more noticable because of the 2d photo? Or was it a conscious decision for a desired effect? I realize it will be much less noticable when the group fills in, but everything I've read advises against crossing trunks. Thanks for the lesson.

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Actually none of the trunks cross. It is just a bit of bad photography on my part.
What actually looks like a crossing trunk is one that is going to the rear of the composition. Squished down into two dimensions it just looks that way. This is almost always a problem in a photo

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Old 7-Oct-2003   #12
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Ron,

I just wanted to echo the compliments of so many others...The over-all visual concept of this composition is outstanding...I like your pot selection, and the placement of the trees...I do hope we will have the opportunity to see this again in the future, after it has a chance to mature...With the amount of movement in the various trunks, it should be interesting to see the progress...Great job of focusing the eye on those nice trees...

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I know what you mean Ron, I have had quite a few basic art classes. I don't know why but the pot seemed heavy to me when I saw it in person. In the picture it isn't too bad, but in person it is a little distracting.
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I know what you mean Ron, I have had quite a few basic art classes. I don't know why but the pot seemed heavy to me when I saw it in person. In the picture it isn't too bad, but in person it is a little distracting.



Maybe it was because there was not the amount of foliage on it that was planned to be there when you saw it. And it looked a bit bottom heavy to you.
One must take into consideration the final plan when making suggestions.
In the workshop that we worked on your raintree do you remember the first question that I asked you.
"what do you want this tree to look like in 5 years"
The answer you gave let me know what you wanted the final product to look like. Then we worked on your plan. I knew where you wanted to go with that tree. Only a few minor changes were made to your plan. I could help you with those changes only after I knew where you wanted to go with that tree.
An important concept. Know the plan. Then make suggestions.
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Thank you Ron.
That last reply is good advice and helps a newbie like myself put things in perspective! It seems so often impatience to have a tree that looks "finished" takes over. Your quote..
"what do you want this tree to look like in 5 years" is something that will stick with me!


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Adam, took me a long time to realize that the tree I want and the tree before me are not the same. Ron's thought about '5 years' is the way to go... but remember you need to have a plan on how you will get there. Smoke and mirrors are not going to work, accepted techniques and knowing the growing habits of the tree will. Also, 5 years of development in Florida are not the same as 5 years in NY state. Bonsai is somewhat like Chess... if you do not plan ahead, thinking many moves in advance, you will not like the outcome.

I am starting to accept my trees as they are, knowing what they will be in the future if (a big if) I can produce what I see as their possibilities.

Oh... Ron, I like where this group is going!

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Jay,
Good point about the Florida/N.East difference. I have been thinking of all the cool things I am going to try this coming spring, I think I am on the right track with my initial idea of putting almost everything I have acquired this past year in grow boxes, but now I have some thinking to do, and some plans to map out. This thread has slowed me down just a bit (definitely a good thing) I just have to keep that saying over and over in my mind Think Future, Think Future, Think Future once the pruning sheers come out!

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