Correct Identity required Please

ozzerbon

G'day Folks,

About to take delivery of this small Acer palmatum, next Monday to be precise, but, does/can anyone recognize this exact form?

The tree is about 25-30 cm tall [ 10 to 12 inches ].

Here's hoping....ozzerbon

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bonsaimaniac

Did the person or company give you any information? Are you asking for identification of a cultivar? Is it seed grown, from a cutting or airrooting, is there a graft scare? Odds are without further information it is a seed grown green Acer palmatum. A basic green japanese maple.

ozzerbon

Thank you Bonsaimaniac,

The tree is about 15 years old, wrongly thought to be a "butterfly" form, and as far as I can find out, grown from seed. I constantly buy some of my trees from a bonsai/dealer buddy, via photographs, so until I see the tree in actuality next Monday, can say no more than that, but the original pic was extremely large, and therefore the detail was very clear, I now strongly suspect that it is, as you have suggested, a basic, green, Japanese, Acer palmatum. Which is exactly what I've been searching for.

Regards....ozzerbon

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gcraft

its a regular ole green japanese maple and i really doubt it to be 15yrs old though might wan tto check in on that my guess would be an airlayered branch
Greg

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Carl_Bergstrom

Your dealer "buddy" is not as good a friend as you think, if (s)he is claiming to be growing named cultivars from seed.

-Carl.

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dkalderis

Hi ozzerbon,

I would say that the tree is about 5-7 years old, no more than that, but of course you never know.

D.

TreeBay

Maybe he names them as the germinate?



Regards,

Matt

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bonsaial1

The actual age of the stock is not the issue. In fact it is a non-issue. Whats counts is what age does the image of the tree convey? If the stock being purchased is nicely tapered, and has a nice nebari, and well ramified branches, and is only 6" tall and barely an inch around at the soil, then the actual age does not matter. For whatever its age, it will convey a much older tree then it actually is.

Now the opposite may be true on this speciman. It may actually be 15 years old, but due to the trunk, taper,nebari, and twigs, it looks 6 to 7 years old.

Hope that helps those that didn't know, Al

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Vance Wood

Named cultivars cannot be successfully grown from seed. The term Cultivar is a designation identifing the tree as a "Clone" from one specific parent plant. The Cultivars themselves would not exist were it not for the actions of a human intermidiary to Clone the parent plant inorder to get an exact duplicate of the same.

This is done through cuttings, grafts and in bonsai, occassionally, air layerings. A cultivar cannot be grown from seed due to the laws of genetics, anyone who tells you it can either does not know what they are talking about or is telling you stories.

You can however grow seeds that form on those cultivars but there is no way you will get an exact duplicate of the parent plant. Odds are you will get what you are looking at. That being said this does not mean the tree will not make a good bonsai it may even be similar to the parent plant, or it may be better. Growing Japanese Maples from seed is a lot of fun, no two from the same stock of seed are going to be the same, even if they came from the same tree.

All of that being said most of the named cultivars around today have their parentage in the Matsumurai strain. So a probable identity of this tree would be Acer Palmatum Matsumurai.

In case you are curious as to how this happens. As I wrote earlier given a handfull of seeds from the same tree planted and germinaterd, no two trees would be exactly alike. sometimes within this batch of seedlings and young liners you may find one of them that has some really strange and uniques properties such as leaf shape, leaf color or bark color or thick bark. These trees are unique unto themselves, in order to get duplicates that share the same traits the tree must be cloned through grafting, cuttings or air layering. This is how all of the fancy cultivars we pay through the nose for in the nursery came about. Someone identified a really neat tree cloned it multiple times, and gave it a special name identifying it as special et al.

Because Japenese Maples have existed for so long in a closed environment, over time all of the recessive genes that produce some of the traits we observe in this species have had opportunities to come together and manifest themselves in the abundance of leaf colors, shapes and sizes.