CLOSED: Cedrus atlantic 'glauca' -blue atlas cedar questions.

bisco_bonsai

This thread is only for those of you out there who have been experienced with atlas cedars for bonsai. I have a very short list of trees I would love to have for bonsai. I have made this list after years of viewing bonsai, and with the realization that the only way I can have bonsai that satisfy me is to have reduced quantiy and improved quality. And I'm talking under ten people. My eventual goal is to have around ten high quality bonsai that I can be proud of and that spands the range of genera suitable for bonsai. Anyway, I've been purchasing quality stock on a yearly basis, and last year I finally got a nice trident maple stump that I look forward to working on over the years. I would like the tree I buy to work on this year to be a cedar, but I have had a hard time finding quality information on how to train this species. I don't even know how they will react to being cut back hard. My goal would be to buy a large stump with some small lower braches from a large landscaping nursery, but I don't know if I should buy one all ready prepped for bonsai use. With the latter, I know I would have to spend a great deal of money, so hopfully these trees can be trained from stump. Anyway, If anyone experienced with cedars for bonsai could give me some information (or point me to a pertinant article) it would be much appreciated.

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Harry_Flashman

This should be a big help:
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/cedars.htm
Good information and good service and plants if you should order from them.

TreeBay

What a shame! If only I had more experience with cedars!. Maybe then I could direct you to an bonsai magazine issue dedicated to Atlas Cedar bonsai, and to another thread here on bonsaiTALK about them.

I hope you find someone who can help you. I am off to find another subject that is appropriate for my level.

Regards,

Matt

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bisco_bonsai

Thanks for using sarcasm to correct me, I always love that. If anyone out there who knows absolutely nothing about cedars for bonsai could post some advice or an article, it would be much appreciated. Okay, happy?
Thanks,
JDL

bisco_bonsai

Thanks for the article Harry, it answered a lot of questions.

All the best,
JDL

Bonsainut

Whoa Matt,

Your wit is like a razor today, slice, nice!

Bisco bisco Duck,

I'll give this a stab of my own. Some things I know.

1. Slow growing here. One basic flush of growth a year. So If you want something convincing start with bigger tree.

2. Easy to bend easy to wire branches into place. Tends to want to drift back after wiring, might need second wiring.

3. Not a big water hound, medium fertilizer, full sun

4. Doesn't give advantitious buds down low easily. Choose a tree with low branching.

5. New growth can be pinched back with fingers after hardening off. Not always going to get ramifaction at each pinch site. Needles reduce with time, can go several years between repots and needle reduce when root restricted.

6. Long term tree, worth the effort. Go for it Bisco

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TreeBay

I am not being sarcastic. I am being entirely genuine. I truly believe it is a shame when an arrogant post limits the field of respondents and offends people, and I am aware of one or two issues of International Bonsai related to cedar. I don't fit your group of know nothings either. But, I am happy! However, I was happy before.

Regards,

Matt

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bisco_bonsai

Thanks,
I had a hunch that choosing a stump for cedar would be much like choosing a stump for a pine. From what I've gathered so far, the culture for cedars is basically the same as for pines (with the acception of foliage) in that you have to have very well drained soil, and a stump with low branches that must be chased back gradually. Also, I just remebered I have a bonsai book somewhere with a chapter about cedars (go figure) so I'll give it another read again.
All the best,
JDL

Harry_Flashman

Matt-you are being far too sensative!
I can guess why our friend phrased his post in that way. I have seen many a time, on this forum and others, where someone will ask a question, usually something complicated and thoughtfull like "can hand pollination of crab apples be made more effective by use of a brush or utilizing a cottom bud?" A question like that shows that the asker has a fair base of knowledge and needs to have some fairly specific and specialized information. And who posts a reply to that thread? Something like this: "I've only had my juniper banzai that i got at Home Despot for a week, its sitting on top of my TV set. Why don't you let some butterflies loose in your house, they might like your crab apples and they are so pretty to look at. I love nature that's why I love butterflies and thats why I love my banzai"
You see the point? far too often posts are made for the hell of it, for the sake of the post, not really to answer a question or impart solid information.
So don't be put out about not getting to post here, because looks like you go tthe chance any way!