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Old 26-Mar-2007   #1
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Bunch O Stumps and Saplings

I was granted permission to collect at a backwoods road that has been regularly bushhogged. Almost all the trees there are just stumpy things with new years growth onthem. I cannot see anything inthem. Maybe thread grafting other saplings into them via drilling holes. There are hemlock, entmanni spruce, western cedar, vine maple, maybe some other indigenous speceis in the western Washington state.

There is a entemans spruce that willmake a decent windswept or cascade but most of them I cant see the potential in. THey are literally stumps with a few limbs coming out here and there. Some have so many saplings coming outhe stumps I cant see the stump. Most of the stumps are only a couple inches to 4 inches across.

Theres a bunch of vine maples like this too.

I looked and looked and all I can find is phoenix grafts and thread graftings. I could thread graft a sapling big as a quarter through any of the roots I guess. Anyone seen where anyone hasdone these sort of things?

The pine I found is under snow now. I dont knwo when Ill get to look at it again.
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Old 26-Mar-2007   #2
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My advice would be to keep looking for better collecting ground and keep this one you've got permission for in mind if nothing else pans out. Keep scouting sites and build an inventory of potential trees. You will almost always find a better place if you keep looking.

As you get more experience and develop a better eye for material, return to those first spots you thought were good and you'll be surprised at how far you've come at being able to source good material.

Another thing that worked well for me was to look in places I hadn't thought to look before. You'll be surprised at just how much material there really is out there if we only open our eyes to it
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Old 27-Mar-2007   #3
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How do you guys go about contacting the site owners?

First, if it's not a house but a road, who do you call?

If it's a commercial place you phone the manager?

What do you say? How do you convince them?
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Old 27-Mar-2007   #4
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I talk to a lot of people and know all kinds of people to start with. My wife has a professional job and I am a tradesman so together we know different kinds of people. Many of those people have land or their families have land. Sometimes people talk about this or that and them having to bushhog the field comes up or re landscaping and getting rid of those stupid junipers that are older than Moses so something else can go there. I throw in collecting them so they dont have to dig them out or what have you. Sometimes classifieds list re landscapers that want to get rid of trees and shrubs so checking in things like the Tell and Sell or whatever you have can yield some results too. The apartments next door just dug out a bunch a bunch of cotoneasters that have been there since like 1980 and threw them in a pile to throw out because they needed a dumpster parking spot. I asked if I could have a couple and they didnt care at all, take all you want is what they told me. Try contacting your local forest service and see if they can help locate somewhere to collect at. There are some state programs that the private landowners hold some sort of contract to allow commercial logging. But because of the state run program most anyone can collect small timber (no one but loggers have the resources and the money for the full size trees) shrubs, and grasses. The forest service gave me contacts for some of these parcels ( the landowner generally gets something like maybe deferred property taxes or even income fromtimeber) and the landowners dont care and give you permission to collect trees under 5 feet or 2 feet or whatever it may be. Sometimes you have to pay a dollar a foot or something like that. Just start making phone calls. The worst that can happen is that they ridicule you for calling them (not really). Most people are helpful or try to be when they find out you only want a couple trees at most for bonsai. This saturday Im going to collect some junipers that are going to be removed for remodeling and relandscaping. The housing market is steady and a lot of houses change hands and the landscaping is one of the things that gets changed. I also have the opportunity to get a birds nest spruce and some pines. I likely wont get all of them because I dont particularly want a spruce or the pines but the option is htere from talking to people. Sorry the post is so long but hopefully you will get an idea of where to start. I have written off garden centers and nurseries pretty much. Everything here comes from one place and they are all the same specimens. It took me about two garden center trees to brighten up and start looking at other places to get something that has some size to it. Im sure that when I get more experience at it Ill be able to take a garden center one and make it look better like these guys that have been doing it a while. Until then I will get trees that are destined for the forest in the sky. Thats where I hear a lot of trees beginners will be sending them anyway lol.
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