Brazilian Raintree Fertilizer - bonsaiTALK Community

28-Jun-2006	#1
acrouse FOG Join Date: Dec-2003 Location: Holiday, Florida Country: United States USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 10 Posts: 45	Brazilian Raintree Fertilizer Hey All, I have searched this question several ways here and I am not finding specifics so I have to ask. I lurk ALOT lol I don't usually speak up here. I absorb lol! What I am looking for is an answer to what type of fertilizer are people using on Brazilian Raintrees? My tree is healthy, no problem there. I do clip it back to shape it. It is potted in a basic bonsai mix (premixed with a panda as the logo?) which requires watering daily and sometimes every other day here in Florida. The tree is outside, gets morning light then shaded from the brutal late sun. What I am looking for is to stimulate more growth to fill out the tree. I know I am not attending to its needs often enough as far as feed and I would like to use the right type of fertilizer, specific names please or specific mixes. Everything I find recomends general fertizer, all purpose fertilizer, and balanced fertilizer but no specifics. Thank you for your consideration! __________________ Never stop accepting change and never stop learning. Once you cease to be able to accept change and to learn; surely you will cease to exist. You see this in the trees? It applies personally as well. Art

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28-Jun-2006	#2
Joanie Enthusiast *MODERATOR GROUP* Join Date: Feb-2005 Location: Carlsbad, California..coastal desert Country: United States USDA Zone: 11 AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 5,445	If they recommend general, balanced, all purpose fertilizers then they sort of mean 10-10-10 or something. Trees can't read. They absorb what they have available. They don't really care if it's Miracle Gro or BioGold or the cheap brand. Or organic cakes or pellets. Make the nutrients available, and the tree will use them. Alternating fertilizers is not a bad idea. Organic one time, un-organic (synthetic?) the next. Organic breaks down more slowly. That's one way to do it. If your tree is healthy, then you can give it any of the above and it will be fine. Some may have more salts than others, which may accumulate in your soil. That isn't good. But if you repot every year, and make sure to flush the soil with water at each watering, it will probably not be a factor. Disclaimer: if someone has a contrary opinion, you'll want to weigh the information. I've only been in bonsai for a short while. Joanie __________________ Dogs are just children who eat off the floor

28-Jun-2006	#3
Repotter Hec DeBrabant Join Date: Nov-2004 Location: Southern Michigan Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 992	I have always used Schultz's liquid 10-15-10 but only half strength. It has micro- nutrients and seems to keep it a nice dark green as well as balanced growth. I just recently bought some organic 4-4-4 and will try that as well. Joanie is right on about alternating. Hector __________________ http://www.tellys.com http://www.Fourseasonsbonsai.com The original Four Seasons Bonsai Club of Michigan. Guest master Pedro Morales visit was a huge success. Tellys Greenhouse, 3301 John R road, Troy Mi. 48083 Four Seasons Bonsai Club meetings monthly. Troy, Michigan "Anything is possible when you don't know what you are doing"................someone famous I think.

28-Jun-2006	#4
acrouse FOG Join Date: Dec-2003 Location: Holiday, Florida Country: United States USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 10 Posts: 45	Joanie- Thank you. I have those brands you mention and will probably alternate them as you suggest. I do believe in alternating feed where possible. I don't think most things grow on a severely narrow range diet to the best of their ability. Repotter- Thank you. I have the Schultz product. Seems I got it specifically to "green up" something or other somewhere along the line and it does work well too. Carl Rosner- Thank you for the information you sent in response to my email inquiry. Nice collection of specifics there which I will begin applying to the little guy. Your time is appreciated. Thanks again all, Art __________________ Never stop accepting change and never stop learning. Once you cease to be able to accept change and to learn; surely you will cease to exist. You see this in the trees? It applies personally as well. Art

28-Jun-2006	#5
Alasdair bonsaiTALK Master Chief Join Date: Aug-2004 Location: Aberystwyth Uni Country: Wales USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 0-1 Posts: 1,101	I don't know directly of the brazilian rain tree, but encouraging speedy growth requires a high Nitrogen content. I have used an inorganic water soluble orchid fertiliser on my trees (NPK 35-10-10) and they took off! Just got to look out for overly long internodes, that's the only problem i had. Al __________________ I can feel another "I wish that was my tree" moment coming on... Currently studying BSc Plant Biology at the Universty of Wales, Aberystwyth

28-Jun-2006	#6
RonMartin(deceased) Bonsai nare-do-well Join Date: Jan-2003 Location: Summerville SC Country: USA USDA Zone: 8A AHS Heat Zone: 8 Posts: 4,653	The Brazilian rain tree is one of my favorites and I have been working with them for years. I see that you live in Florida They do quite well there. My fertilizer of choice for them is a water-soluble 20-20-20 . Schultz is as good as any out there. If you are keeping the tree outside then don’t worry about salts building up in the soil. The normal rains you there will keep them washed out of the soil.

28-Jun-2006	#7
acrouse FOG Join Date: Dec-2003 Location: Holiday, Florida Country: United States USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 10 Posts: 45	Thank you ... Alasdair- Thanks for the recommendation on the fertilizer. RonMartin- Thank you for the rec on the fertilizer. Good to hear from someone who has experience with this tree. Yes I do keep it outside seems that is where it likes it best. Thanks all, Art __________________ Never stop accepting change and never stop learning. Once you cease to be able to accept change and to learn; surely you will cease to exist. You see this in the trees? It applies personally as well. Art

1-Jul-2006	#8
mordachai Deadwood Rules Join Date: Oct-2004 Location: South Florida, USA, Earth Country: United States of Hysteria USDA Zone: 11 Tropic AHS Heat Zone: +HOT+ Posts: 66	Art, I don't know where in FL you are, but I'd get in touch with jupiter bonsai http://www.jupiterbonsai.com It was Jim Moody who first brought them into the US, and they have about 30+ years of experience with them in FL conditions, which you know are a bit different than most of the US. Give them a call and they'll be able to tell you exaclty what you want to know! \|M\|

2-Jul-2006

RonMartin(deceased)

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Originally Posted by mordachai

Art,

I don't know where in FL you are, but I'd get in touch with jupiter bonsai http://www.jupiterbonsai.com

It was Jim Moody who first brought them into the US, and they have about 30+ years of experience with them in FL conditions, which you know are a bit different than most of the US.

Give them a call and they'll be able to tell you exaclty what you want to know!

|M|

Funny that you mentioned them. That is where I have gotten all my rain trees and Jim Moody was a friend and instructor of mine for many years.

That is where I learned all the I know about this beautiful tree.

2-Jul-2006

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acrouse

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Join Date: Dec-2003

Location: Holiday, Florida

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mordachai

Art,
I don't know where in FL you are, but I'd get in touch with jupiter bonsai http://www.jupiterbonsai.com

It was Jim Moody who first brought them into the US, and they have about 30+ years of experience with them in FL conditions, which you know are a bit different than most of the US.

Give them a call and they'll be able to tell you exaclty what you want to know!

|M|

Thank you Mordachai for the direction. I did get information from Carl Rosner here who got it from Jim Moody. It is good information. I will check out Jupiter Bonsai though maybe they are close enough for a trip. I am located in Holiday which is just a bit North of Tampa on the Gulf coast.

We deal with a fidgety microclimate here where it can rain all around us and not a drop will fall in our area most times. Then sometimes no rain forecast and we get it. Something to do with a pressure area constantly hovering(?). Today was rare here, we escaped early to Venice out to Kaspersen to collect more of those darn fossilized sharks teeth. We hit rain in Nokomis. We headed North for home at about 3pm and never drove out of the rain. Actually we pulled over twice and let the worst passby before continuing. I was surprised we had rain in Holiday as well this time, rare as I said. Not a weather buff myself I just water when the little guys want it. Use the air conditioner runoff which has been good for everyone. Again thank you for your time and consideration in replying.
Art

ps: If you haven't had the priveledge to see Carl's painting of the Mother Brazilian Raintree, a work he did for Jim Moody; you are missing a great work! Ask Carl.

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