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29-Oct-2005
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Bonsai Rose
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has worked with a bonsai rose bush?I always see these gnarley old trunks on cheaply priced 5 gallon stock.Any good ones or pics coming from the rose family?Thanks.
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29-Oct-2005
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Redpine,
I know that Nick has done some work with roses, there are a couple here. I have found a old thick trunked, twisted rose bush by a old stone foundation in the back woods. I have been thinking about the same thing. Good question. Some more... http://www.bonsaisite.com/forumgen/messages/4518.html Will Last edited by Will_Heath : 29-Oct-2005 at 03:41 PM. |
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29-Oct-2005
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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Thanks Will.
See my main Q is I wonder how do they ramifiy and how bad winter die back is.I wonder,with a nice big trunk can we get good compact growth.The plant seems to be as tuff as nails with all the hard pruning I see taken place around landscaping and so forth.
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29-Oct-2005
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Hi Wes,
I have a couple that I am working on. I will show one of them to you. Its a miniture rose, but then again what is a bonsai? I have had it for two years. Its still in a clay pot and around christmas I will trim it. This spring I'll put it in a bonsai pot. I kinda look at it as a Kusa-mono bonsai or accent plants. Because of the weather it looks shabby. Peace Bob
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31-Oct-2005
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I think this depends on what type of rose you're using. I have a pretty large multiflora rose (they are an invasive plant here in Va. and are everywhere) that's got a 8-9 inch nebari. It's been in a container for about ten years after being collected from a cow pasture where it had been growing up a telephone pole for about 50 years. It was trunk chopped from 40 feet to 18 inches and severely root pruned at collection.
It is quite hardy and grows like a weed in a container. I prune it back when vines grow out where they snag me ;-) when I pass by--I let them grow a bit in the summer to strengthen the plant. Winter protection is minimal, only a mulch covering behind a wind break. There is some dieback but it's unpredictable and usually comes when a branch is pruned too hard too late in the season. They ramify pretty well, with at least two new shoots appearing behind a hard prune. The vines become woody in a few years. Growth can become extrememly compact if left in full sun and the plant is pruned hard. This can weaken it over time, so every other year, I give mine a rest from pruning. You have to wear gloves to cut anything off. The thorns break off in the skin and itch... |
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31-Oct-2005
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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Thanks for the replies everyone.Nice colour in that accent Rob.
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31-Oct-2005
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Hey Chat Baby!
Check out this thread on roses from some time back. http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...55&page=1&pp=10 Cheers, Jim |
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2-Nov-2005
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Bonsai-Buddy
Join Date: Oct-2003
Location: Johannesburg
Country: South Africa
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Re: Bonsai Rose
You took the question right out of my mouth as I was wondering if anyone here had done one and had any comments or suggestions on how to work with them, wiring, pruning, etc.
I have just started designing a rose bonsai (yesterday actually) as it is something that I have always wanted to do since I first became interested in bonsai. I have used one of the miniature variety called Scarlet Rosamini. I have cut it back quite a bit, and thankfully I did not have to do much with the roots. I will let you know how it goes, and may post a couple of pics for you. I saw a wonderful yellow rose bonsai a couple of months ago, also of the miniature variety, and all I can say is WOW. It had a great nebari and trunk structure, with the branches all in the perfect position and full of justed opening buds. It really was something to be envied. Pitty I did not have my camera with at the time. Bonsai-buddy  |
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2-Nov-2005
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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Hi,
Yeah I think the more I look into it the more I really think 'good accent plant' and leave the bonsai to other stuff.
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3-Nov-2005
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The types shown here and most ornamental varieties aren't really up to being bonsai, I think and are probably only accent material--unless you can locate a very old one with a substantial trunk. There are old rose bushes around, but they're not common. There is a single trunked rose in the garden of a house in historic Old Town Alexandria, Va. for instance, that I've been eying for the past ten years. It is a yellow ornamental variety, but it has a trunk that's at least ten inches across at the base. It's got to be over 100 years old. This would be excellent material for a bonsai start. I haven't been able to get the owner to part with it--I can understand why.
For what it's worth, there is a photo of a very nice rose bonsai in an older bonsai book I have from the 1950's. The book is Japanese, so there is some precedent for using this plant as bonsai. Multiflora rose--an invasive species--is pretty good material if you can find an older trunk. This plant is pretty common throughout alot of the US and is readily available. The one I have makes a pretty good bonsai. It has no problem with any of the diseases that plague ornamental roses. It's blossoms aren't all that showy (which is a plus for bonsai) AND it bears fruit (red rose hips) in the autumn. |
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